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Old 11-19-2012, 05:28 PM
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I agree that generally speaking the most significant land engagements fought after 1940 occurred in the East. However, it would be a serious misreading of history to go on and argue that the Soviets are mainly responsible for the defeat of the Axis powers. In essence, without western aid the Soviet armies could not have pushed German forces out of Eastern Europe. Specifically the western allies (and mainly the US) supplied the soviets with over 240,000 trucks and lesser but highly significant quantities of aircraft and tanks as well as vast quantities of other war materials. The supply of western food stocks (SPAM) was crucial to the maintenance of viable soviet land forces up to and following the Battle of Stalingrad. And one shouldn't underestimate the contribution made by British and US land forces prior to the D Day landings in 1944. The campaigns in Italy, Tunisia and the Middle East took an enormous amount of pressure off the Soviets - as did the strategic air campaign over Germany, which the US joined in 1944. The German decision to break off the Kursk offensive, (which the Soviets claimed as a great victory) was largely due to the pressing need to transfer vital armoured units to Tunisia, where an allied success would threaten vital German oil supplies. Frankly, for anyone to even suggest that the Soviets might have defeated the Germans on their own is simply nonsense.
Laughable and you forgot the bit about the P51 winning the war too!
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Old 11-19-2012, 06:15 PM
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Lonewulf is actually right. Soviet truck production was whoefully inadequate even before the war and once the war had started the increased need for tanks lowered it even more (in relative numbers). Without the allied truck deliveries the Red Army's composition and/or performance (after 1943) would have been very different: either they wouldn't have had the enormous amount of tanks due to a modified production schedule or they would not have had the strategic mobility of 1944/45. The real contribution of Lend&Lease was the provision of the logistic part of an army (trucks, food, radios and other technical systems etc) so that the Soviet industry could concentrate fully on producing the sharp tip (aircraft, tanks, artillery). Without either the sweeping offensives of late 1943 and 1944 would not have been possible with the results we know.
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Old 11-19-2012, 06:48 PM
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Nah .....

The war was won right here.

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Old 11-19-2012, 06:52 PM
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So much for the thread then, even the mods are in on it.

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Old 11-19-2012, 06:55 PM
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Nah .....

The war was won right here.

Aaah, Bletchley Park. Indeed, suddenly the allies new almost every step that the Germans were taking, especially German sub-marine operations were seriously impaired.
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Old 11-19-2012, 07:01 PM
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Aaah, Bletchley Park. Indeed, suddenly the allies new almost every step that the Germans were taking, especially German sub-marine operations were seriously impaired.
Oh lordy! More nonsense.
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Nah .....

The war was won right here.

Really, what does this have to do with the original post?

What has this to do with the future of BoM?
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Old 11-19-2012, 07:37 PM
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Really, what does this have to do with the original post?

What has this to do with the future of BoM?
Nothing.

Same as the rest of this thread.
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Old 11-19-2012, 08:16 PM
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what future?
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Really, what does this have to do with the original post?

What has this to do with the future of BoM?
OK's, back on track !

i think right now all we can do is keep an eye on the russian forums to see if there are any other snippets of information from DEDA being posted, or any further progress reports or updates on BoM development from other russian posters who are closer to the project.

since B6 stopped managing the CoD/BoM forums, our english 1C forums have been left in a bit of an information vacuum. so all we can do is wait for now
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