A potential fix for the Aircraft visibility problems?

[zapatista]

Originally Posted by SlipBall

zapatista
. Is it possible for me to lock that as my normal view?...maybe a config edit?

one forum member (ataros) suggested that the kegetis mod tool allows you to set a specific FoV (and "lock it"), but i havnt tried it myself yet (and might not be compatible online ?) (see ...http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthr...=multi+monitor ).

several people tried to edit the CoD files to alter the FoV setting directly, but no luck so far. being able to set specific FoV's at 5 degree steps (as was possible in the il2 series) is afaik not currently possible in CoD, it was a feature requested several times by many people, but i dont think it was included in the final patch.

knowing what your personal "normal" FoV should be in CoD is however important to determine the amount of distortion in object sizes you are creating as a result of using the "wrong FoV" (and for the purpose of this thread to determine game errors).

[SlipBall]

Thanks zapatista! I will experiment with your advice

[MadTommy]

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[zapatista]

Originally Posted by MadTommy

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looked interesting, i could see a difference in the comparison screenshots

[David198502]

sorry zapatista, you are wrong, although i appreciate many things you brought up in this thread already...

you said:" the reason i keep mentioning the need to first set the correct "normal" FoV for your personal monitor size and home viewing setup, is that in any of these "visibility bug" discussions we need to start from a known quantity with most in-game parameters set to represent as closely as possible a similar real life situation."

and thats where i have to disagree with you, as this bug seems to be dependent on three different settings:

resolution
FOV
model details

this bug doesnt give a rats ... about "correct" FOV.
you can simply recreate it:

use a resolution of 1024x768
+ FOV 90°
+ medium model details

[Roblex]

Not sure I can use a 'normal' FOV considering I only use the TrackIR 6DOF to change FOV

[zapatista]

Originally Posted by Roblex

Not sure I can use a 'normal' FOV considering I only use the TrackIR 6DOF to change FOV

hiya Roblex,

using track IR is no problem at all (if you use its main 6DoF feature as intended)

first you set your "correct FoV" (as stated earlier in this thread), then with the 6DoF of the track-ir you can turn your "in-game head" left right and in all directions while the same FoV setting is maintained all the time. instead of using a mouse of Kb keys to look around, you simply turn your head.

and you have the extra benefit with the track-ir 6DoF that when you lean forwards to have a closer look at some of the cockpit instruments they magnify in size and are easier to read (because your eyes are now significantly closer to them), but during the same movement the distant aircraft LoD models and Dots you see in the distance do not change in size because you leaning 20 cm closer to the screen (being equal movement of leaning roughly 20 cm forward in the cockpit) is an insignificant change in distance compared to looking at a 1 cm wide LoD model representing a ME109 about 1 km away for ex. and that is exactly how it would work in real life, and is the purpose of having a correctly implemented 6DoF in a game

[Wolf_Rider]

Originally Posted by zapatista

knowing what your personal "normal" FoV should be in CoD is however important to determine the amount of distortion in object sizes you are creating as a result of using the "wrong FoV" (and for the purpose of this thread to determine game errors).

The "distortion" isn't in sizes as such... it is in how the object/ background/ viewpoint (as in origin of view) relate to each other.

Originally Posted by zapatista

no i am not

it is the exact opposite of what you are saying. if i would be using the 70 FoV as "normal default"(with my eyes 60 cm from my 27' screen as i stated earlier), all ingame objects size shrink around 30% for me, making them much harder to spot, track or identify, THAT is a distortion !

Nooo, objects on the screen don't get bigger or smaller when you move your eyes closer to or further away from your screen

Originally Posted by zapatista

if in a flight simulator the purpose is presumably to see all in-game objects in their correct 1:1 sizes compared to what you would see in real life (ie the same as when looking out of a cockpit), in which case you then need to determine what this "normal" view is for your own monitor personal setup first (size monitor, and the distance you have you're eyes from it.

sounds great if everybody wanted to have their head and shoulders strapped down and locked in to one position... unfortunately people will sit at different distances from their screen. Sit too close and the peripheral (RL) vision gets affected, they may find themselves getting dizzy after a while at the screen... too far away and they might squint slightly causing headaches.

How would plan to achieve your desire and have it also suit everybody else?

Originally Posted by zapatista

right now the "normal view" (by default 70 FoV right now in CoD), is only "normal" if you have a 30' screen and sit exactly 54.356 centimeter (21.4 inch ) from it. if that same person then briefly uses the zoomed 35 FoV to scan a distant airfield or road, all in-game objects are magnified by 2x (hence much easier to see), but it does so at the cost of introducing tunnel vision. having snap views setup that are more zoomed (35 FoV) or artificially increase peripheral vision (eg the 90 FoV) are useful to briefly use to overcome some of the limitations of sitting behind a monitor in your living room rather then being in a real aircraft, but both induce significant size and object-visibility distortions

just calculate it for your own setup, and see what should be your "normal FoV" for your current setup.

Normal FoV is the default setting... change from this value and the distortion comes into play... objects aren't "magnified" by changing the FoV - "maginification" is a completely differtent occurence

Originally Posted by zapatista

the purpose of raising this in this thread is because only if using a correct "normal" FoV can we determine if in-game "distant object" visibility is roughly correct (compared to similar real life situations), AND if the "invisible zone" (disappearing aircraft) some players complain of is a real problem or some less serious artifact introduced by not using the right FoV.

and yes, the "disappearing dot" is a bug apparently... one which wasn't there in > il2: 1946