Friday Official Update, July 27, 2012

[Wolf_Rider]

Even the CFS3 fiasco didn't attract the same carry-ons which go on here

[adonys]

Originally Posted by Fenrir

Oh BRAVO....

People of your ilk have long lost the right to be 'treated like adults' as your above post so aptly demonstrates.

Has it ever occured to you that the programming crew might spend so many hours in a day trying to get stuff fixed that they might not relish the idea of coming in here and being haranged by obnoxious flaming little brats of the ilk that you so excellently typify. To know that you frustrations wll be compounded by whiny grabbing ignorants who'll villify you for your efforts because they can't generate enough brain power to look beyond their own selfish little desires?

I'd stay so damn far away it's not funny.

B6 is their spokes person, he was away for one damn day for reasons beyond his control. Sh1t happens, get over it.

And as for programming, No I'm not a programmer, but I've used enough html and flash codes over the years and had friends of mine who are try to explain coding that actually I damn well KNOW it CAN be that complicated. You are the one who sounds like he doesn't have a clue. Unless of course you have a brand new WW2 flight sim of amazing high fidelity flight dyamics, with your own home built game engine waiting in the wings?

No? i didn't think so. Just goes to show there are too many pretentious ignorant pricks around here.

you are not, but I am a programmer, and even more, a game designer and a game producer, and I've worked on developing games and software for the last 10 years, from MMORPGs to virtual operating systems for ARM tablets.

imagine that I dare to say I know more about game developing than you, and your friend, and another 10 like you both together!

Originally Posted by Wolf_Rider

Even the CFS3 fiasco didn't attract the same carry-ons which go on here

because no one really loved the bug-pit that CFS2 was, or the arogant bastards from M$.

you can not hate without loving first.

and about the matter at hand.. do you imagine how ridiculous their excuse sounds? do you imagine M$, or Nlizzard, or Activision, or Take2, or Electronic Arts, or Ubisoft, or any other western game developer announcing a conferece on a date, to then only post on their forums that their CEO is on a trip, and the conferece announcer got sick for a day or two, so they won't have any conference at all.. while the conference room is still stuffed up with press reprezentatives waiting for the answer..

norhing short of simply ridiculous! if your brain does see that as a valid, mature and acceptable excuse, I would say that you have a high fever at least..

I'm fed up with this kind of behavior and excuses! I understand their difficult situation, lack of good programmers and project managers, and the fact that a patch might need a long time to be coded, but I do not want to be treated like a mental disordered brain dead child in the mean time!

[LOPAN]

People are complaining because the creator of the product they've purchased is giving them motives.

They are not complaining about futile issues, like the appearance of the trees or because they didn't like the ending (like in Mass Effect 3).

Instead, they are complaining because they've purchased (including myself) a crude and broken product (apparently in alpha stage) for an AAA price. And to this day (9 months after the last patch), the creators have progressed very little to change this aspect.

[adonys]

and all of you hypocrites telling the rest that 50 euro are nothing (and actually to all Il2 CoD community), I would love to see you act accordingly: when BoM is out, why won't you buy 10, or at least 5, copies, as those 50 euro are nothing to you, thus doing many goods to this sim:
- multiply MG's income by 5 or 10
- rise up the number of sold copies by 5 or 10, making the publishers present a new interest to this genre
- attract new people to WWII flight sim genre by giving away the extra copies trough unknown gamers not playing this kind of game

there you go! let's see how you are responding to this proposal, which actually would be the best way to support this game series and genre..

vote with your money, or forever shut up about those "insignifiant" 50s!!!

[Walrus1]

Originally Posted by adonys

and all of you hypocrites telling the rest that 50 euro are nothing (and actually to all Il2 CoD community), I would love to see you act accordingly: when BoM is out, why won't you buy 10, or at least 5, copies, as those 50 euro are nothing to you, thus doing many goods to this sim:

Do the math: 10 copies are 500 Euros. When you multiply a quantity by ten you have increased it by 'an order of magnitude,' which nearly anyone would consider a very significant difference. So your argument is flawed.

In my opinion this game has been worth what I paid for it, even as is, bugs and all. If it is ever perfected, it would be worth quite a bit more, at least to me.

[adonys]

Originally Posted by Walrus1

Do the math: 10 copies are 500 Euros. When you multiply a quantity by ten you have increased it by 'an order of magnitude,' which nearly anyone would consider a very significant difference. So your argument is flawed.

In my opinion this game has been worth what I paid for it, even as is, bugs and all. If it is ever perfected, it would be worth quite a bit more, at least to me.

actually, your judgement is the one flawed. an insignificant amount of money would still remain insignificant, or at least not too hurting/decent, even when multiplied with 5 or 10. like 1 euro. or 10. 50 euros are not actually an insignificant sum. and you might notice I've proposed the 5 lower figure too, for those not having so much money.

and in the end, using your own argument, its just 5 or 10 days of getting out and drinking some beer downtown.. isn't it?!!

I'm sure as a great lovers of this sim series you all are posing into, you can sacrifice a week of drinking for the better good of us all, wouldn't you?

I for one, even with all it's flaws and my not so big wallet, am willing to do that, because I can see it as an investment in the future of one of the most pleasant way I'm spending my free time (same as buying a new videocard for example), as long as MG stops this bullshit attitude towards us.

do you?!!

[FS~Phat]

Cool it please gents. Ive deleted a couple of obnoxious personal attacks.. Please refrain or more infractions will flow.

[Fenrir]

Originally Posted by adonys

you are not, but I am a programmer, and even more, a game designer and a game producer, and I've worked on developing games and software for the last 10 years, from MMORPGs to virtual operating systems for ARM tablets.

imagine that I dare to say I know more about game developing than you, and your friend, and another 10 like you both together!

These things are easily said and far less easily proved, and considering the nature of your recent post I'm quite frankly inclined to disbelieve.

If this is actually the case, why have you not volunteeered your 'expertise'? If you are so passionate about this sim as you so claim, why not offer to help? You clearly think you are qualified enough.

Instead you sit back bitching like every other critic round here, fanning the ill-feeling and slowly helping to drive nails into the coffin lid of this project.

Originally Posted by adonys

and about the matter at hand.. do you imagine how ridiculous their excuse sounds? do you imagine M$, or Nlizzard, or Activision, or Take2, or Electronic Arts, or Ubisoft, or any other western game developer announcing a conferece on a date, to then only post on their forums that their CEO is on a trip, and the conferece announcer got sick for a day or two, so they won't have any conference at all.. while the conference room is still stuffed up with press reprezentatives waiting for the answer..

norhing short of simply ridiculous! if your brain does see that as a valid, mature and acceptable excuse, I would say that you have a high fever at least..

Oh, I forgot that you know everything about how simple it is to run a software development company, and you obviously have some source or window into the lives of all the development team at MG and are intimately aquainted with the various ins and outs of the project management and decison making process to make such an accusation and feel it is credible...

Your suppositions are based on a minute percentage of the information available and one helluva lot of imagination.

Clearly somewhere some bad decisions have been made, and the knock on effects are still being felt now, amplified even. However where you see theives, fools and incompetants I'm more inclined to put myself in their situation and try and empathise, imagine what my feelings and motivations might be, and see some chaps in a bad place working hard to correct some bad luck and bad choices - it's what I'd do in their situation.

Which leads me to.....

Originally Posted by adonys

I understand their difficult situation, lack of good programmers and project managers,

Ha! Your entire diatribe proves entirley otherwise. Go look up 'understand' in the dictionary - it means to comprehend, empathise, reach a level of compassionate intellectual syncronisation. You have shown sweet Fanny Adams thus far.

The fact is I understand your frustration, I'm in here every Friday too hoping for a fix. The game was gifted to me by a friend so I'm not out of pocket it like a lot of others but it has cost me in some regard - I've been following this title as long and with as much anticipation as anyone else and want to see a comprehensive fix as much as the next guy.

What I don't get is the bitter, stinging slanging and treatment of the dev team - what on earth do people think it will accomplish?? We just widen the Gulf between client and developer, demotivate the very people we want to work to fix our issues and risk at the very least losing features we'd like to see cos they won't bother listening or worst case the entire title and we'll be stuck with a lame duck forever more!

Why is this so difficult to comprehend?!