SHOOTING at the OLYMPICS

[tk471138]

Originally Posted by Bewolf

Only if it is placed in government institutions. Over here it is run by independent non profit organisations, whose simple goal is too keep tarifs at exactly the heights produced by costs. This organisations may react to public pressure (for example currently they run a huge surpolus and there is the argument going if to give the money back to the people by loweing tarifs or safeguard the money for later times when the age problem will hit Germany harder) but else are indepdendent from governmental bodies. Alternativly you may chose private health insurance to your liking.

The only condition by the state is that you have healthcare to begin with.

Btw, the US already has the western worlds most expensive health care system. Per capita the US spends much more then any other country as well. THere is not a lack of money in your system. It is simply extremly inefficient. That happens when private companies start to run a business where they can make money out of exactly that.

If you broke that system of yours you could have much better conditions for the same money or the same for much less. Instead it's become a black and white question, to be or not to be.

what if i choose to NOT have health care as someone in my mid twenties and probably 10x healthier than most americans (i dont drink soda, i dont eat any fast food, i make my own food out of my own ingrediants, not processed premade foods. i dont drink alcohol in excess, and im physically active)

o wait i cant choose to NOT buy a product, otherwise some third party (govt) will impose a fine or tax on me....


whats the difference between a thief stealing your money and a govt taking your money (the fruit of your labor) through threat of violence....NOTHING

[Al Schlageter]

Originally Posted by tk471138

what if i choose to NOT have health care as someone in my mid twenties and probably 10x healthier than most americans (i dont drink soda, i dont eat any fast food, i make my own food out of my own ingrediants, not processed premade foods. i dont drink alcohol in excess, and im physically active)

Then you will be asking for donations like the Colorado shooting victims and/or having the hospitals write off the $100,000s of expenses.

[BaronBonBaron]

0:46 is the last couple pages of this thread.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gvv60...0&feature=plcp

[JG4_Helofly]

Very interesting discussion. Didn't know that political topics where allowed in this forum.

Bewolf wrote something very important imo: "And that is positive, why....? Most people here come out of an attack with a broken nose at best. Hardly with bullet holes. But then again, even the criminals here know they do not have to expect a gun when they enter a house, and in return do not feel the need to bring their own. Result...lots of people actually getting old, both victims and criminals, both having chances to actually tell stories to their grandchildren. "

The main problem I see with firearmes is escalation. That's what Bewolf wrote. When stuff like "home defense" with guns is common, then criminals will prepare for that and bring their own.
As a Swiss, I am always amazed how scared americans seem to be. Over here, I know not a single person who feels threatened to a point where he would feel the need for a gun in order to defend himself. The governement is also not seen as a threat.

[Zorin]

Originally Posted by JG4_Helofly

Very interesting discussion. Didn't know that political topics where allowed in this forum.

Bewolf wrote something very important imo: "And that is positive, why....? Most people here come out of an attack with a broken nose at best. Hardly with bullet holes. But then again, even the criminals here know they do not have to expect a gun when they enter a house, and in return do not feel the need to bring their own. Result...lots of people actually getting old, both victims and criminals, both having chances to actually tell stories to their grandchildren. "

The main problem I see with firearmes is escalation. That's what Bewolf wrote. When stuff like "home defense" with guns is common, then criminals will prepare for that and bring their own.
As a Swiss, I am always amazed how scared americans seem to be. Over here, I know not a single person who feels threatened to a point where he would feel the need for a gun in order to defend himself. The governement is also not seen as a threat.

Americans just don't get it. Don't even try to convince them, this thread has proven that they don't want to listen and learn from others, because they believe that their truth is the only true one. So sad...

[AndyJWest]

Originally Posted by Zorin

Americans just don't get it...

Um, no. There are plenty of rational Americans - but not here. They just have more sense than to spend their time telling the rest of the world why everything and everyone except them is wrong about everything, about how America is number one in absolutely everything, and about how there are black helicopters in the water supply and fluoride-smugglers infiltrating the DAR (though I may have got confused with the last bit).

[Zorin]

Originally Posted by AndyJWest

Um, no. There are plenty of rational Americans - but not here. They just have more sense than to spend their time telling the rest of the world why everything and everyone except them is wrong about everything, about how America is number one in absolutely everything, and about how there are black helicopters in the water supply and fluoride-smugglers infiltrating the DAR (though I may have got confused with the last bit).

I do realize that, while at the same instance pitting the fact that they are obviously in the minority.

[Outlaw]

Originally Posted by JG4_Helofly

The main problem I see with firearmes is escalation. That's what Bewolf wrote. When stuff like "home defense" with guns is common, then criminals will prepare for that and bring their own.
As a Swiss, I am always amazed how scared americans seem to be. Over here, I know not a single person who feels threatened to a point where he would feel the need for a gun in order to defend himself. The governement is also not seen as a threat.

I know a woman who was raped, beaten, and left for dead. My sister was stabbed in the back by an attempted rapist. I witnessed a bar room murder where the weapon of choice was a beer mug. There were no firearms involved in ANY of the above cases and there are TENS OF THOUSANDS OF THESE EVERY YEAR. Criminals DO NOT NEED GUNS TO INJURE AND/OR KILL.

You state that, "...I know not a single person who feels threatened to a point where he would feel the need for a gun in order to defend himself...". In response, I ask, what is the intended method of defense if the need arises? Is the entire population of Switzerland so bad-ass that they can kick the crap out of anyone that attacks them? Are violent crimes non-existent in your country?

There are TENS OF MILLIONS of Americans who are just as helpless against an unarmed attacker as they are against an armed one. The thought that criminals without guns are less dangerous at an individual level is just so far below the level of stupid that it can't even be described.

In 2010 there were 778,901 violent assaults. 405077 of those were committed with no weapon at all or with something other than a knife or firearm. That's ALMOST HALF A MILLION PEOPLE violently attacked without a firearm or knife used by the attacker.

I can't find a statistic, but, for arguments sake let's say that only 25% of those assaults resulted in significant injury. That's 101269 people. Let's say, 1% for permanent injury...4050 people. Those percentages are just guesses on my part. Feel free to show more accurate numbers if you have them.

Regardless, it is clearly obvious that there are TENS OF THOUSANDS of significant injuries caused by attackers without weapons every year.

If you want to play the averages and feel that it's better for you to get your ass kicked than to protect yourself, that's great. Or, if you're such a bad-ass that you are invulnerable to any form of physical assault, that's great too.

But, as I've said before, don't force me to be one of the others that aren't in one of the above categories.

--Outlaw.

[SYN_Flashman]

I thought this thread was about skeet shooting?

[Outlaw]

Originally Posted by SYN_Flashman

I thought this thread was about skeet shooting?

You mean it's not a cross-country defensive break dancing thread????

Damn! All my stats are based on historical CCDBD data.

--Outlaw.