Another pointless poll...

[Buchon]

Here goes my English knowledge again

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Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES

That is the beauty of it! In that 777 provides you a choice! Some will review it and consider it a smart decision and some will not. But at least we have a choice! Which is more than what some games provide.

Does 777 provides the choice of buy a full boxed WWI game ?

It does not.



Maybe your point of view, as someones here, is based on the flight simulator genre, where Microsoft Flight Simulator add-ons was a good DLC offer for example, so the DLC policy have not a negative approach.

But my point of view is more general, the DLC policy as unique method of revenue have negative consequences in the quality and value of the product and finally stuck his development.

I don´t consider RoF as a success, success was IL2 1946 for example, for me RoF its a stuck game, there no more future there other than buy the next plane.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Originally Posted by Buchon

Does 777 provides the choice of buy a full boxed WWI game ?

It does not.

But it does

http://www.amazon.com/Rise-Flight-Th.../dp/B002CQAPWS

Originally Posted by Buchon

Maybe your point of view, as someones here, is based on the flight simulator genre, where Microsoft Flight Simulator add-ons was a good DLC offer for example, so the DLC policy have not a negative approach.

But my point of view is more general, the DLC policy as unique method of revenue have negative consequences in the quality and value of the product and finally stuck his development.

That is not a good comparsion IMHO, becuase 777 DLC is different from the way MSFS did it.. Where all of the 777 DLC is produced by 777, and MSFS had both MS and 3rd party DLC. Where alot if not most of the 3rd part DLC was not worth the 'free' price they charged for it (what you called negative consequences in the quality)

Originally Posted by Buchon

I don´t consider RoF as a success, success was IL2 1946 for example, for me RoF its a stuck game, there no more future there other than buy the next plane.

Based on your statment is it safe to assume that you are not aware of the fact that 777 is in the process of adding a new 'channel' map that will include the sea planes.. Which is in a nut shell what IL-2 did via it's sequals.. New maps and new planes.. So, if your consider RoF stuck, than you would also have to say IL-2 was/is stuck

[JG52Krupi]

Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES

Based on your statment is it safe to assume that you are not aware of the fact that 777 is in the process of adding a new 'channel' map that will include the sea planes.. Which is in a nut shell what IL-2 did via it's sequals.. New maps and new planes.. So, if your consider RoF stuck, than you would also have to say IL-2 was/is stuck

Of course you forgot to mention that they asked you to buy it while saying that it might not go ahead and if it didnt you would not get your money back nice of you to forget that...!

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Originally Posted by JG52Krupi

Of course you forgot to mention that they asked you to buy it while saying that it might not go ahead and if it didnt you would not get your money back nice of you to forget that...!

That is the typical legal mumbo jumbo you will find with alot of preorder dev stuff.. In that they say that about most if not all the planes and other stuff you pre-order.. So no need to get your panties in a twist thinking they are trying to pull one over on you.. Beucase the FACT remains that NO ONE is holding a gun to your head when you ordered it.. As allways, if you don't read the fine print it is your fault not thiers.

On the upside, glad to see you took me off ignore, assuming you ever had me on ignore!

[Buchon]

Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES

But it does

http://www.amazon.com/Rise-Flight-Th.../dp/B002CQAPWS

Wut ? ... so someone is selling his copy for 250$, amazing ...

Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES

That is not a good comparsion IMHO, becuase 777 DLC is different from the way MSFS did it.. Where all of the 777 DLC is produced by 777, and MSFS had both MS and 3rd party DLC. Where alot if not most of the 3rd part DLC was not worth the 'free' price they charged for it (what you called negative consequences in the quality)

That´s just what is wrong with 777, they are the only and the one DLC maker, it´ll be better if they let do this to others and put their effort in bring that RoF engine to 2012.

Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES

Based on your statment is it safe to assume that you are not aware of the fact that 777 is in the process of adding a new 'channel' map that will include the sea planes.. Which is in a nut shell what IL-2 did via it's sequals.. New maps and new planes.. So, if your consider RoF stuck, than you would also have to say IL-2 was/is stuck

I'm aware of the channel map and the consequent´s more planes

But as I said a better use of effort would be concentrate in the engine development and his features as IL-2 does, and sell the high steps forward along with new theaters to have revenue, as BoM, that´s a road map with future due the constant development of new features and new api as DX11.

A new map for a old engine is not a development to forward but add content to what you already have.

If your business consist in nothing more than sell DLCs then the development gets stuck, guess is where they are now, and there no future other that make a channel map to continue making more planes for a stuck DX9 engine.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Originally Posted by Buchon

Wut ? ... so someone is selling his copy for 250$, amazing ...

Not that amazing, in that is probably the version that comes with all the add ones included.. I forget the name of it?

But if you look closer you will see that 777 provides the choice of buy a full boxed WWI game, i.e.

http://www.amazon.com/Rise-Flight-Fi..._ob_vg_title_1

You know.. that thing you said they DID NOT PROVIDE

And also 777 provides the choice of buy a download WWI game, i.e.

http://www.amazon.com/Rise-Flight-Cr..._ob_vg_title_0

Which all goes back to that 777 providing 'choices' things I was telling you about

Originally Posted by Buchon

That´s just what is wrong with 777,

That is your opinion, and is the reason why 777 can not and does not force anyone to buy it

Originally Posted by Buchon

they are the only and the one DLC maker, it´ll be better if they let do this to others and put their effort in bring that RoF engine to 2012.

First you said you didn't like DLC like MSFS because of the negative consequences in the quality which most of which was 3rd party DLC.. Now your saying you want RoF to allow 3rd party DLC which if anything like MSFS 3rd party DLC it will result in a negative consequences in the quality.. So which is it?

Originally Posted by Buchon

I'm aware of the channel map and the consequent´s more planes

Ah so you knew about it? So why did you say RoF is not a success and/or stuck when RoF is doing the same thing the original IL-2 did.. i.e. Producing new maps and new planes and than charging the user for new maps and new planes. In that the only difference in the two is RoF allows you to pick and choose each item, where as IL-2 took all the items and bundled them up which in turn did NOT allow you to pick and choose.

Originally Posted by Buchon

But as I said a better use of effort would be concentrate in the engine development and his features as IL-2 does, and sell the high steps forward along with new theaters to have revenue, as BoM, that´s a road map with future due the constant development of new features and new api as DX11.

A new map for a old engine is not a development to forward but add content to what you already have.

If your business consist in nothing more than sell DLCs then the development gets stuck, guess is where they are now, and there no future other that make a channel map to continue making more planes for a stuck DX9 engine.

Well maybe you should contact 777 and let them know you have a better way of doing things.. Maybe they would be willig to pay your for your software and marketing experiences? In that it sounds like you have run a few game companies in the past.. Are you at liberty to tell us which game company it was you were the CEO of?

[Buchon]

Misunderstanding so much, its not ?

I think that I have explained good enough.

See you ～

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Originally Posted by Buchon

Misunderstanding so much, its not ?

I think that I have explained good enough.

See you ～

Misunderstanding?

No, not at all..

Just a difference in opinions! S!

[Buchon]

Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES

Misunderstanding?

No, not at all..

Just a difference in opinions! S!

Yeah ... whatever ...

I wonder if there one of those RoF boxes for 250$ in my market place

[simast]

Originally Posted by Buchon

I'm aware of the channel map and the consequent´s more planes

But as I said a better use of effort would be concentrate in the engine development and his features as IL-2 does, and sell the high steps forward along with new theaters to have revenue, as BoM, that´s a road map with future due the constant development of new features and new api as DX11.

A new map for a old engine is not a development to forward but add content to what you already have.

If your business consist in nothing more than sell DLCs then the development gets stuck, guess is where they are now, and there no future other that make a channel map to continue making more planes for a stuck DX9 engine.

Where did you get that idea that RoF development is stuck?

The last RoF patch added working synchronizer/interrupter gear (machine guns fire based on engine RPM when synchronized to fire through the propeller), vastly improved gun handling in the game and added some graphical improvements (sharper textures and heat blur). They are releasing new planes in the process and constantly improving the engine. And since you mentioned the upcoming channel map - we are not just talking about new landscape here (your point of new content), but some significant engine improvements. Like for example - working 3D water with wave physics and such.

I am not going to argue about CloD "expansion" model tho. It's DUD concept and a suicide for such a small niche market. Every new sim is moving away from this model for a reason.