Minimum convergence?

[Plt Off JRB Meaker]

There's no proof at all...Pete Brothers of 32 Squadroom fame,was using 50 yards convergence on his Hurricane,although much poo pooed by the British authorities he proved that the closer you could get,the better the chance you'd have of destroying the enemy.

Erich Hartman the German ace also proved this point,when he said,that when his enemy filled his windscreen he would shoot,and by using ths tactic they would go down every time.

This said we should be able to lessen the convergence to less than the game allows which I believe is 100 meters,come on devs get it sorted.

I'll add it then to the bug tracker ...

[bongodriver]

Maybe it can be edited in an .ini file?

[Blackdog_kt]

In a plane with wing mounted guns there are limits to how close you can set your convergence.

We would have to know the dimensions of gun bays in each fighter and the dimensions of the guns to know if the gun is even able to be turned that far inwards to close the convergence. And that's assuming the rounds don't go through the prop disc.

I'm not saying it couldn't be done because i frankly don't know, i'm just making an educated guess that settings to the effect of 50 meters or below were impossible, due to the above reasons.
Whatever the case, it's a far cry from simply asking the devs for settings below 100 meters. It needs some research first and it's individual for every aircraft.

The reason Hartman could shoot from so close is that he flew a fighter with nose mounted guns. In that case, even if the gun convergence settings are limited by the size of gun vs size of gun bay, there are two significant advantages:

1) There is synchronizing gear, so shooting through the prop is not an issue.

2) You can set your guns for 400meters and still shoot at point blank range. Just aim lower than the target (use the upper part of your revi to line up the target, instead of the crosshairs).

[5./JG27.Farber]

Originally Posted by Blackdog_kt

1) There is synchronizing gear, so shooting through the prop is not an issue.

On a 109 is shoots through the prop spinner not the prop...

[Al Schlageter]

Originally Posted by 5./JG27.Farber

On a 109 is shoots through the prop spinner not the prop...

Not for the 7.92mm.

The link to the bug for voting:

http://www.il2bugtracker.com/issues/309

[SlipBall]

In the old IL-2 game owners manual there are some advice given, to get to 70m before opening fire...IMO down to 50m should be available in game.

[TomcatViP]

Storm, I think you are mixing convergence indication on the gunsight and guns convergence.

There is no way you can set your guns to converge as so short distance as 50 m. Try to remind that flying a fighter plane during BoB was not a sport that you will practice in a selfish manner. You had orders, directives and technical operatives procedures that order could be achieved following the directives (otherwise there is no planned tactics hence no strategies).

By the way, those indication are in the maintenance manuals, not in the pilot manual. I think I alrdy saw one passing by on this forum

You also made an error IMHO:
Distance of convergence = L*cosinus
Distance of gun from main axis = L*sinus

tan= sin/cos and Tan^-1=angle of EACH GUN

Offset of gun at the gun's breech : d_gun*sinus (d is the length of the buried part of the gun)
In the case of 50m conv for 2m it give us 8cm offset (1m long gun - machine-gun).

For a plane with four gun in each wing, it means that you'll have to keep 32cm of available free space without taking into account any structural spacer.

Also : Size of prop = 3.6 for 109 if I do remind well
etc...

[raaaid]

hartman used 20 m i think, i miss that option