Oleg and Team.

[proton45]

Originally Posted by GOZR

Well i've wrote this with a bit of a strong point .. to wake up some and I agree... quite a bit shocking isn't it..

To say it's lame well this is a matter of opinion.
The forum was filled with request to fix and redesign textures, cockpits etc..
But we always got an answer that it was impossible .. time.. etc..
Even some really false answers, we also have some maps designer telling that they did the maps quick, rushed and that the engine was very limited .. basicly blaming themself of how bad the engine was.
For Oleg i agree he did what many wouldn't do and we are thanksfull for it , The programmers did a fantastic job with this limited physical engine we are agree but here is what i see the problem it's on the design team, textures etc.. I agree that to have a close sim saved Il2 of destruction but i see also a very good wish from Moders that want just to fix re-textures and maps.. This add so much more to this old sim and suddenly look so much better the last Slovakia map is a typical example of a very well done designed map.

I really suggest Oleg to go into this forum of moder or even contact them to take the best of their works and add it into a new release of 4.09.. why not .. it is so worth it.

Oleg can receive all the help he can get , ask and receive on an heart beat .
Like i say above the moder did what was suppose to be impossible and it is outstanding and Oleg should really take advantage of this for the good of all of us and close the sim for BOB..

But remember guys i love you all .. we are a last breed even Yvan
( Sorry for my rush writing but my 10 months old baby is pulling my leg while writing this and i have to go play now.. )

Well I guess that shows them... I guess they should have done what you wanted.

[GOZR]

I know all this ...

We can have a solution.. Just a matter or finding it..
What it is possible to do and not to do ?.. There is this HUGE help that many can provide and participate to this great WW2 sim.

A Solution with out been close minded .. why not going toward a discussion on finding teh best way for all.

We can move mountains when we are unified and working together...

[SlipBall]

I think that Ivan is dead on,

[Urufu_Shinjiro]

GOZR, I understand what you are trying to get at, but your intentions were clouded when you made a very unwise decision to insult oleg and his team. There are probably a hundred ways to say that the modders are doing good work and should be looked at by oleg without the very poorly thought out insult.

[GOZR]

No insults were given.. Noway.. just observations

[Feuerfalke]

Originally Posted by GOZR

No insults were given.. Noway.. just observations

Hm, maybe we all got this wrong then?

"I take off my hat to the Moder team maps maker . and imagine this... a much better work with well less tools."

[GOZR]

The AAA work provided on top of Oleg Great sim is Fantastic superior to almost all original maps .. It is also understandable that many are old and even from the first il2 many years back... many years back... This is not about programing nor FM, we can keep this aside and concentrate on design graphics.
If a works has been done promptly rushed as stated before by map maker that mean that the work wasn't real good and it doesn't mean that they were stupid... just a good critic of some design work/time period.

So there is no insult as some others try to imply but instead some raw critic.

Now what about trying to go forward and find that solution.

[tater]

GOZR and I had a misunderstanding at ubi, and I'm confident it was entirely a language issue. Pretty wide latitude for that has to be given on an international forum.

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tater

[Jughead]

I'm not a programmer or hacker or a modder, but from what I've seen what has been changed with the hacks are easy things compared to the whole of the program. But to be honest I have asked myself the same question.
Oleg has another product to sell, with fewer planes and fewer maps. Why make an old great game even greater when it could get him less sales of the newer product. The only plus for Oleg in this is that the online confidence has been breached. One reason I wonder who really hacked this game. That said, the hack ain't much without the program.

[Bearcat]

While the rightness or wrongness of Gozr's post is indeed debateable... that there is some good stuff coming from AAA there is no question. That is a fact. I don't know about any of the other mod communities... and I am still flying mod free... but some of the stuff coming from AAA is good. A lot of it is good.

I just hope that Oleg takes whatever code for the "wingman/ attack my target" command is there and somehow modifies it and applies it to the wingman/ cover me command so that when the AI wingman is asked to cover you he doesn't go flying off on a vector 90-180 degrees while you get your virtual @ss handed to you by some bandit on your 6 that, btw your wingman is flying right next to if not right behind as he goes off to do who knows what other than cover your tail. That is my biggest gripe with the sim.. I don't mind the ace enemy AI.. it is the all too often brain dead friendly AI that drives me nuts.... but I digress ....

AS I said .. I cant speak much for the other mod sites... but the AAA site should not be lumped up with some of the others I have heard about... and perhaps some sort of compromise is in order....