Friday Update, February 10, 2012

[Osprey]

Originally Posted by BlackSix

Hm...

I don't see anything in this issue of 100 octane fuel.
Do you know which fuel is now flying Spitfire and Hurrican in the game?

B6, this specifically mentions an option within the menu to select. That does not mean you didn't include it, but from this reply it appears that you aren't including it? Even then I am unsure because your answer is ambiguous.

IF there is 100 octane fuel for the aircraft already then it is not modeled. Please could you answer which fits your explanation:

1. It is already there but not modeled in FM.
2. It is already there but not modeled in FM and we are going to model it in FM in the CloD patch.
3. We have no plans to model it in the CloD patch but it will be modeled in BoM
4. We have no plans to model it ever

[BlackSix]

Originally Posted by Osprey

B6, this specifically mentions an option within the menu to select. That does not mean you didn't include it, but from this reply it appears that you aren't including it? Even then I am unsure because your answer is ambiguous.

IF there is 100 octane fuel for the aircraft already then it is not modeled. Please could you answer which fits your explanation:

1. It is already there but not modeled in FM.
2. It is already there but not modeled in FM and we are going to model it in FM in the CloD patch.
3. We have no plans to model it in the CloD patch but it will be modeled in BoM
4. We have no plans to model it ever

I myself don't know anything on this subject, it does not overlap with my work. I need to ask permission for publication by Ilya such data, and then find out this information from the programmer.

[VO101_Tom]

Originally Posted by BlackSix

Hm...

I don't see anything in this issue of 100 octane fuel.
Do you know which fuel is now flying Spitfire and Hurrican in the game?

Hi. I made a small test a couple of months ago, the ingame speeds compare with original test results, vaules. This is what i got:

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showpos...9&postcount=28

Every aircraft have a huge lack of prformance (except Spit IIa), the boost is useless - there is no noticeable speed increase, only a few % (except Spit IIa), the Spit I, Ia boost is only +6 lbs instead of +12 lbs (the 100 octane fuel need to +12 lbs boost), etc.

In the past year was a lot of forum topics, but Ilja said, that the new FM is WIP, so we wait for what will be...

[Talisman]

BlackSix,

Thank you very much for your reply regarding 100 Octane fuel. The aircraft instruments appear not to show 100 Octane performance;100 Octane fuel is documented as one of the fundamental aspects of the Battle of Britain for the RAF.
May I refer you to the detailed post from "Klem", dated 11th Jan, on the forum thread for requested improvements:

01-11-2012, 08:45 AM
klem
Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 1,066

100 Octane fuel

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Type of improvement:
Add 100 octane fuel modelling for all Spitfires and Hurricanes.

Explanation of Proposals:
100 octane fuel was in use by all of the Fighter Commans stations by the time of the BoB. Geoffrey Lloyd, British Minister of Fuel and Power said; “I think that without 100 octane we should not have won the Battle of Britain. But we had 100 octane.”
http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchi...0-%200044.html
http://www.nceastmgtf.com/modules/ev...rted%20Oil.pdf
http://www.lago-colony.com/STORIES_R...HISTORY_DJ.htm

A list of reports on another forum which I link to to save space (especially read "Appendix IV" for performance figures and the BATTLE OF BRITAIN section under "A. R. Ogston, excerpt from History of Aircraft Lubricants (Society of Automotive Engineers, Inc. Warrendale, PA USA), p. 12." for confirmation that "March 1940 Fighter Command converted all its Spitfire and Hurricane Rolls-Royce Merlin powered fighters to 100 octane"):-
http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/avi...tml#post542367
and another listing combat reports mentioning 100 octane or +12lbs boost all from as early as May 1940
http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/avi...tml#post542707

Benefits:
Historical accuracy/Realism.
__________________
klem
56 Squadron RAF "Firebirds"
http://firebirds.2ndtaf.org.uk/

[Sutts]

Originally Posted by Talisman

BlackSix,

Thank you very much for your reply regarding 100 Octane fuel. The aircraft instruments appear not to show 100 Octane performance;100 Octane fuel is documented as one of the fundamental aspects of the Battle of Britain for the RAF.
May I refer you to the detailed post from "Klem", dated 11th Jan, on the forum thread for requested improvements:

01-11-2012, 08:45 AM
klem
Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 1,066

100 Octane fuel

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Type of improvement:
Add 100 octane fuel modelling for all Spitfires and Hurricanes.

Explanation of Proposals:
100 octane fuel was in use by all of the Fighter Commans stations by the time of the BoB. Geoffrey Lloyd, British Minister of Fuel and Power said; “I think that without 100 octane we should not have won the Battle of Britain. But we had 100 octane.”
http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchi...0-%200044.html
http://www.nceastmgtf.com/modules/ev...rted%20Oil.pdf
http://www.lago-colony.com/STORIES_R...HISTORY_DJ.htm

A list of reports on another forum which I link to to save space (especially read "Appendix IV" for performance figures and the BATTLE OF BRITAIN section under "A. R. Ogston, excerpt from History of Aircraft Lubricants (Society of Automotive Engineers, Inc. Warrendale, PA USA), p. 12." for confirmation that "March 1940 Fighter Command converted all its Spitfire and Hurricane Rolls-Royce Merlin powered fighters to 100 octane"):-
http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/avi...tml#post542367
and another listing combat reports mentioning 100 octane or +12lbs boost all from as early as May 1940
http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/avi...tml#post542707

Benefits:
Historical accuracy/Realism.
__________________
klem
56 Squadron RAF "Firebirds"
http://firebirds.2ndtaf.org.uk/

I agree this would be a welcome addition and if it was server controlled then we could all do with it what we wanted. No more arguments.

There is no doubt in my mind that the RAF was using it in their front line fighters in the BoB period. I've even seen reference to bombers and trainers using it too in this period. They had more than enough 100 octane stock piled at the time as official documents prove.

[Talisman]

BlackSix,

Thank you very much for your reply regarding 100 Octane fuel. The aircraft instruments appear not to show 100 Octane performance;100 Octane fuel is documented as one of the fundamental aspects of the Battle of Britain for the RAF.
May I refer you to the detailed post from "Klem", dated 11th Jan, on the forum thread for requested improvements:

01-11-2012, 08:45 AM
klem
Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 1,066

100 Octane fuel

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Type of improvement:
Add 100 octane fuel modelling for all Spitfires and Hurricanes.

Explanation of Proposals:
100 octane fuel was in use by all of the Fighter Commans stations by the time of the BoB. Geoffrey Lloyd, British Minister of Fuel and Power said; “I think that without 100 octane we should not have won the Battle of Britain. But we had 100 octane.”
http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchi...0-%200044.html
http://www.nceastmgtf.com/modules/ev...rted%20Oil.pdf
http://www.lago-colony.com/STORIES_R...HISTORY_DJ.htm

A list of reports on another forum which I link to to save space (especially read "Appendix IV" for performance figures and the BATTLE OF BRITAIN section under "A. R. Ogston, excerpt from History of Aircraft Lubricants (Society of Automotive Engineers, Inc. Warrendale, PA USA), p. 12." for confirmation that "March 1940 Fighter Command converted all its Spitfire and Hurricane Rolls-Royce Merlin powered fighters to 100 octane"):-
http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/avi...tml#post542367
and another listing combat reports mentioning 100 octane or +12lbs boost all from as early as May 1940
http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/avi...tml#post542707

Benefits:
Historical accuracy/Realism.
__________________
klem
56 Squadron RAF "Firebirds"
http://firebirds.2ndtaf.org.uk/

[JG52Krupi]

Love how you can shoot the tank tracks off

[ATAG_Snapper]

Originally Posted by BlackSix

Hm...

I don't see anything in this issue of 100 octane fuel.
Do you know which fuel is now flying Spitfire and Hurrican in the game?

I'm surprised and a little dismayed by this question. Surely this would have been thoroughly researched by the 1C development team many years ago. For reasons unknown, the correct engine performance data for the Spitfires (all marks) and Hurricanes (all marks) was not implemented in Cliffs of Dover, which is both puzzling and regrettable.

There are reams of actual test data available to the public to support this statement (example: http://www.spitfireperformance.com/spit1vrs109e.html ), yet a question from a developer spokesperson debating the octane performance level, at this late point of nine months after the actual launch of Cliffs of Dover, is.....confounding.

I'm a devoted fan of Cliffs of Dover and spend many hours online flying the Hurricane Rotol and Spitfire 1a. So many aspects of this simulation are superb, and I trust all parties are dealing straight here and in good faith.

[Sutts]

Originally Posted by ATAG_Snapper

I'm surprised and a little dismayed by this question. Surely this would have been thoroughly researched by the 1C development team many years ago. For reasons unknown, the correct engine performance data for the Spitfires (all marks) and Hurricanes (all marks) was not implemented in Cliffs of Dover, which is both puzzling and regrettable.

There are reams of actual test data available to the public to support this statement (example: http://www.spitfireperformance.com/spit1vrs109e.html ), yet a question from a developer spokesperson debating the octane performance level, at this late point of nine months after the actual launch of Cliffs of Dover, is.....confounding.

I'm a devoted fan of Cliffs of Dover and spend many hours online flying the Hurricane Rotol and Spitfire 1a. So many aspects of this simulation are superb, and I trust all parties are dealing straight here and in good faith.

I'm not convinced we'll get what we need from 1c on this one. My hope is that modders find a way to make the changes for us.

[csThor]

Originally Posted by ATAG_Snapper

I'm surprised and a little dismayed by this question. Surely this would have been thoroughly researched by the 1C development team many years ago. For reasons unknown, the correct engine performance data for the Spitfires (all marks) and Hurricanes (all marks) was not implemented in Cliffs of Dover, which is both puzzling and regrettable.

There are reams of actual test data available to the public to support this statement (example: http://www.spitfireperformance.com/spit1vrs109e.html ), yet a question from a developer spokesperson debating the octane performance level, at this late point of nine months after the actual launch of Cliffs of Dover, is.....confounding.

I'm a devoted fan of Cliffs of Dover and spend many hours online flying the Hurricane Rotol and Spitfire 1a. So many aspects of this simulation are superb, and I trust all parties are dealing straight here and in good faith.

I think you're a bit unfair to BlackSix, especially considering that he is a more recent addition to Maddox Games and, if I read his introduction threat at sukhoi.ru correctly, is not even in Moscow. As such he is dependent on what Ilya tells him and what not.