Battle of Chernobyl

[nearmiss]

Governments can control capitalism.

Governments can control just about everything. They have the power, whether they take it with despotic rule or acquire it by democratic vote.

It is incomprehensible to think that governments could be so uncaring about the potential of nuclear energy for eternal disaster.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by nearmiss

Governments can control capitalism.

Governments can control just about everything. They have the power, whether they take it with despotic rule or acquire it by democratic vote.

It is incomprehensible to think that governments could be so uncaring about the potential of nuclear energy for eternal disaster.

dude, I'm afraid you kinda miss an adequate sense of perspective on the matter: when BP had the massive oil spillage happening on the US coast, they shelled out 21 billion dollars (!!!) without the blink of an eye.. you know how many countries' debts you could fix with that amount of money?!
Governments bow in front of these giants, allowing them to do what they want. That's the real issue, the true nature of capitalism is one where there's no rules nor control.. capitalism is wild and has no mercy, man..

imo the capitalism you speak of isnt capitalism forthright. it is the basterdised version where the criminals have influence. By criminals i mean those reaping (or is that raping) to much from the economy and the people through the consideration of balance, balance of wealth that is.

i make no bones about saying true honest capitalism does work.

The equation for Growth is unsustainable with our present notion of capitalism, Of which this is.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by Ali Fish

imo the capitalism you speak of isnt capitalism forthright. it is the basterdised version where the criminals have influence. By criminals i mean those reaping (or is that raping) to much from the economy and the people through the consideration of balance, balance of wealth that is.

i make no bones about saying true honest capitalism does work.

The equation for Growth is unsustainable with our present notion of capitalism, Of which this is.

I see what you mean, but frankly I've never regarded capitalism as "honest".. I mean yes, if we look at it and treat it like dogma, yes, but human nature gets in the way, turning it into probably the vilest form of exploitation of the weaker.

[nearmiss]

Again government can control capitalism. Government has the power in the country it controls. Capitalism is not government and only has abilities for whatever it does as allowed by governments.

The media and all the government persuasions for manipulating it's people point at concepts like capitalism and blame it. That is just a diversion, government is the power. Doesn't matter what you call it capitalism, fascism, etc. Just words... government is the power.

[Pudfark]

Seems like the solution is for everybody to camp out under the bridge while sharing a candle and howling at the moon....

Really, nearmiss...what viable, alternative energy is affordable/available in Japan?

My answer to that question is None.

[nearmiss]

Originally Posted by Pudfark

Seems like the solution is for everybody to camp out under the bridge while sharing a candle and howling at the moon....

Really, nearmiss...what viable, alternative energy is affordable/available in Japan?

My answer to that question is None.

I wouldn't argue on this, but I do say when your country doesn't have enough of something people can become very resourceful.

The profit motives of free markets will always bring something of value that will work. Too much government intervention can inhibit free markets, but the Japanese have been very successful with their government and free markets for the past 60 years.

We do have a problem in the world today. So many countries think they have to have nuclear to be current. Maybe it's rivalry, who knows all the motivations. Whatever the cause, the Japanese are paying a dear price.

Nuclear energy is an eternal problem for a short term solution. That makes no sense, unless you just don't care.

My understanding is America has no government energy policy.

In one of the videos the speaker infers American nuclear power facilities in many locations could be affected by a disaster just as Japan.

[el0375]

[ to post on previous pages
About BP spill, i knew a person with a very interesting project to recover the petrol/gas/solid from the well( aside from many details, even for me the idea seemed very promising) but his superiors 'stopped' him because ''BP has paid already a lot in this matter''... ]

In general i think that EU is in quite bad position if things turn bad, energetically speaking. I don't know if really that accurate, but i seen data that we have to import 55% and increasing of our total energy needs. If something happens ( e.g. supplies from biggest energy exporter to EU) our lives most probably will change ( good or bad? )
Surely there is need for decreasing consuption, increase production of energy within EU, increase renewables ( for solar, its energy production around 2008 has doubled, still covering only 2% of total energy in EU.) Diversification might help too as we wont rely by only one exporter. Fuel switching too for not depending only by one source of energy. however it isnt really clear what the economic costs are or if its really feasible.
20-20-20 was something good on paper, but few countries made and are making really progress, especially in current times that they face ''more important problems''.

About all this, i am not positive because i see not much progress in this complicated system( kinda i am hoping for the best but expecting the worst). Especially is 'very promising' that in the later climatic talks we still postponed action for 2015 or 2020, especially if we consider we are already 20 + years since talks have started ( but institutions are always positive )
Sorry for my probable mistakes in English

[nearmiss]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

dude, I'm afraid you kinda miss an adequate sense of perspective on the matter: when BP had the massive oil spillage happening on the US coast, they shelled out 21 billion dollars (!!!) without the blink of an eye.. you know how many countries' debts you could fix with that amount of money?!

Who says any country should pay just debts of another country. Who derived the benefits from the debt, who made the debt. The indebted country should be responsible for it's own debts.

Governments bow in front of these giants, allowing them to do what they want. That's the real issue, the true nature of capitalism is one where there's no rules nor control.. capitalism is wild and has no mercy, man..

Not true, government doesn't do anything it doesn't want to do. Capitalism is an ideology and there are as many variants of capitalism as breeds of dogs.

Capitalism isn't the problem. The problem is governments don't use their ability to stop abuses, or they wink at them. The media and the governments will point at capitalism, fascism, etc. as the problem. Governments always take the back seat, but they are the movers and shakers that allow or inhibit ideologists of every sort.

The ideologists (environmentalists) don't want a Canadian pipeline into Texas refineries. Government is going along with the ideologists and the Canadians may end up building a pipeline to western Canada and selling the oil to the Chinese.

The ideology isn't the problem unless government doesn't do it's job in restraining it.

No question ideologists influence governments, but government can make it's own choices regardless of the influence. Government has the power to do it's own will.