Battle of Chernobyl

[swiss]

Originally Posted by nearmiss

This is probably the most relevant issue facing the entire world, not just Chernobyl, but nuclear power plants altogether.

Not a political issue... a crime against mankind.

Atm we have exactly ZERO alternatives to NPPs.

[retrojet]

...and a Merry Christmas to you, too!

Half-life of 250,000 years... Give or take... Couldn't this wait till the new year?



But joking aside.

We need to invest everything in solar power... Before the supernova...

But thanks for the link... These facts are undeniable, but not to be used as an excuse for upping fossil fuel production!

...Now canada is threatening the USA with sales of oil to china, if the pipe-line isn't ok'd!! What's this world coming to?! Oh, yer... 2012... Hehehaha!

[nearmiss]

Originally Posted by retrojet

...and a Merry Christmas to you, too!

Half-life of 250,000 years... Give or take... Couldn't this wait till the new year?



But joking aside.

We need to invest everything in solar power... Before the supernova...

No one is talking about nuclear energy. The New York Academy of Sciences recently released a report indicating Chernobyl has already cost over 1 million lives.

When I started reading up on Nuclear Power, the way they manage waste, etc. It is a nightmare beyond anything imaginable.

Before it is done the damage at Fukushima,Japan will make Nagasaki and Heroshima look like firecrackers for damage compared to meltdowns in three reactors.

I can't imagine any country wanting nuclear anything. When they have an accident the consequences are un-imaginable. Note I said, "When".

I find it interesting how quiet the media has become worldwide about the Japanese meltdowns.

The Fukushima meltdowns will probably within the next 30 years be responsible for killing millions. The land for miles from the reactors will be a dead zone for thousands of years.

It is unbelieveable that any government could embrace such a technology with "eternal consequences" for failure.

Fossil fuels have their problems. The amount money dedicated to Nuclear energy research if applied to fossil fuels would have resulted in cleaner fuel by now, it just wasn't expedient to do so.

[retrojet]

It's sad, it's scary... But unless cold fusion is more than just wishful thinking, nuclear energy is not going away... I am just glad I dont live next to it!

You're so right to be concerned/outraged... But it's like the global financial meltdown... The little guy doesn't have a say! He just gets to suffer the consequences!!
One day, when it all goes pear-shaped, those responsible will just move on to mars... Once the atmosphere has been altered per their specifications... I'm sure there are people working on it... That's what progressive thinkers are for...

oh!
...and a Happy New Year!...

...live each day like its your last! Because you never know....!

[nearmiss]

Originally Posted by retrojet

It's sad, it's scary... But unless cold fusion is more than just wishful thinking, nuclear energy is not going away... I am just glad I dont live next to it!

You're so right to be concerned/outraged... But it's like the global financial meltdown... The little guy doesn't have a say! He just gets to suffer the consequences!!
One day, when it all goes pear-shaped, those responsible will just move on to mars... Once the atmosphere has been altered per their specifications... I'm sure there are people working on it... That's what progressive thinkers are for...

oh!
...and a Happy New Year!...

...live each day like its your last! Because you never know....!

Germany has plans to cease use of nuclear power within the next couple years. Germany has experienced nuclear radiation from Chernobyl and the they dont' want more of the same from their own plants.

About all that can be done is to keep governments from allowing anymore to be built. Since 3 mile island meltdown in USA not another plant has been built. The energy money grubbers are licking their chops, patiently waiting for the chance to build more.

[Pudfark]

Originally Posted by nearmiss

Germany has plans to cease use of nuclear power within the next couple years. Germany has experienced nuclear radiation from Chernobyl and the they dont' want more of the same from their own plants.

About all that can be done is to keep governments from allowing anymore to be built. Since 3 mile island meltdown in USA not another plant has been built. The energy money grubbers are licking their chops, patiently waiting for the chance to build more.

How about the STNP South Texas Nuclear Plant, built in the 1980's?

[nearmiss]

Originally Posted by Pudfark

How about the STNP South Texas Nuclear Plant, built in the 1980's?

It was my understanding 3 mile island was the game stopper for further nuke plants.

[retrojet]

It's not a sane world... And never will be... It makes me wish that the film 'the day the earth stood still' would become science fact, not science fiction...!
We need to be taught a 'BIG' lesson because of the greed and devestatiion we cause...!

It's a shame the dinosaurs got wiped out... I'm sure it would still be a paradise with them in the drivers seat, instead of us... We would just need to run and hide... More than what we do now...

[ingsoc84]

Originally Posted by nearmiss

Germany has plans to cease use of nuclear power within the next couple years. Germany has experienced nuclear radiation from Chernobyl and the they dont' want more of the same from their own plants.

About all that can be done is to keep governments from allowing anymore to be built. Since 3 mile island meltdown in USA not another plant has been built. The energy money grubbers are licking their chops, patiently waiting for the chance to build more.

So the "nuclear" moneygrubbers are just chomping at the bit to build more reactors? I though it was "big oil" that were the moneygrubbers in the energy business...do you mean to tell me that there are more than one band of money grubbers looking to steal our money to keep the lights on? Couldn't imagine that.

So what do you suggest? NO fossil fuels? No Nuclear power plants? Solyndra sure worked out well in the States, there is another 1/2 billion down the tubes for "clean efficient affordable solar energy". Maybe solar cells can power up all our homes and cars? Not likely.

Bad old nuclear power...Ohh my...and where is your proof that if the could have diverted all the money spent on nuclear construction, research etc., and developed a cleaner form of fossil fuel or other fuel? There is none, it's just an assumption.

The Germans shutting off their Nuclear reactors? Great..so one day when Russia decides they need to pay more for natural gas/electricity and they don't like the price, the Russians can shut it off during the winter just like they did in the Ukraine a few years ago, that ought to work out well.

As far as Chernobyl is concerned, it's amazing anything mechanical in that country works, let alone something built during the Soviet period. Have you ever been there? They still make gigantic apartment blocks just like they did in the 30's...cheap. shoddy, the entire country looks like a giant machine that has been left out to rust in the rain for the past 50 years, and that's being polite. It's truly amazing given their lack of building standards now and especially then that that reactor didn't have a problem day one when it went online.

[Bewolf]

Originally Posted by ingsoc84

So the "nuclear" moneygrubbers are just chomping at the bit to build more reactors? I though it was "big oil" that were the moneygrubbers in the energy business...do you mean to tell me that there are more than one band of money grubbers looking to steal our money to keep the lights on? Couldn't imagine that.

What big business isn't a money grubber? It's part of their very nature, that has to be accepted and taken into account without any ill feelings. After all that is how capitalism works.

So what do you suggest? NO fossil fuels? No Nuclear power plants? Solyndra sure worked out well in the States, there is another 1/2 billion down the tubes for "clean efficient affordable solar energy". Maybe solar cells can power up all our homes and cars? Not

Actually, that is exactly where it will ultimately lead too. Fossil fuels are running out, the reserves we still have require ever more expensive and dangerous exploitation methods while world demand still climbs. Now you certainly can try to fight another couple wars to secure those reserves, but given the costs for modern wars (what was Iraq? 3 Trillion?), environmental costs and the potential damage to other industries like fishing, I am not sure the final bill really justifies that policy.

Bad old nuclear power...Ohh my...and where is your proof that if the could have diverted all the money spent on nuclear construction, research etc., and developed a cleaner form of fossil fuel or other fuel? There is none, it's just an assumption.

Nothing bad about it, just becoming a bit outdated and too many open questions that hang in the air for 40+ years without answers to this date. In Germany some 300 billion have been spend on nuclear energy subsidies over the last decades, compared to around 40 billion on renewables. There is no "proof" that this money would have achieved more if it went into nuclear, but the likelyhood is quite obvious, especially when looking at the recent achievements in developments of alternatives. Too many ppl assume we already are at the end of line in regards to alternatives development, while in fact we are just at the beginning. Broad application of those technologies will only accelerate this development, if comparisons to other new technologies and their history are taken into account.

The Germans shutting off their Nuclear reactors? Great..so one day when Russia decides they need to pay more for natural gas/electricity and they don't like the price, the Russians can shut it off during the winter just like they did in the Ukraine a few years ago, that ought to work out well.

huh? AFAIK, Russia needs our money as much as we need their gas. Even during the most tense days of the cold war the russians made their deliveries here. I doubt that will change anytime soon. There is a reason why there was a new pipeline built through the baltic going around countries like Ukraine who fail to pay their bills. (the political questions that raises have to be debated on another page)

As far as Chernobyl is concerned, it's amazing anything mechanical in that country works, let alone something built during the Soviet period. Have you ever been there? They still make gigantic apartment blocks just like they did in the 30's...cheap. shoddy, the entire country looks like a giant machine that has been left out to rust in the rain for the past 50 years, and that's being polite. It's truly amazing given their lack of building standards now and especially then that that reactor didn't have a problem day one when it went online.

I do not think slamming of russian tech, justified or not, has a lot to do with current day problems in regards to energy consumption and future developments.