water cannon episode 2: return of the shotgun

[Hunden]

Short man complex doesn't always refer to a mans height.

[RCAF_FB_Orville]

I'll assume you speak from personal experience then.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by RCAF_FB_Orville

I'll assume you speak from personal experience then.

..how seriously do you expect people to take the posts you've made in this thread so far man? We're talking about serious issues and you go completely OT...

[RCAF_FB_Orville]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

..how seriously do you expect people to take the posts you've made in this thread so far man? We're talking about serious issues and you go completely OT...

Ok. Guns don't stop crimes against personal property.....at all. FACT. How much of the 1 Billion dollars damage in the L.A. Riots did private gun ownership stop, precisely? How many lives did it save? Oh, that's right the ARMY stopped that riot, not 'Charles Bronson' the vigilante.

The majority of burglaries in the UK and probably the US too are committed by people with drug addictions, people who are so desperate for their fix nothing will deter them.

The subject was boring the first time and is more tiresome the second. Comprehensive crime figures and per capita murder rates were provided in that thread by others, which prove that gun ownership does not prevent or mitigate crime. In fact, the more guns present in a country...the higher the homicide rate (shock, horror) . A far higher police murder rate, too.

People need guns in the US because they live in a climate of fear. Everyone else has a gun....woah I need one too. A bigger one. Lets not forget that a legal gun owner with no previous is a 'law abiding good citizen', till he/she decides to shoot someone. Sad times when you are so scared for your safety and so terrified you feel you can't go out at night without one. End. Of. Story.

Not interested in this debate as it does not affect me. The vast majority of British people do not want guns, or want increased access or availability, full stop. Other countries can do what they want, up to them and I'm happy for em.

Seems groups like the Brady campaign aren't so keen. 83,000 people have been shot this year so far in the States, with 175 people shot today alone. The death toll is typically around the 12,000 a year mark. That's not counting the many thousands more maimed and incapacitated for life.....many of them children in terrible accidents. Incredible. Like I say, let em get on with it....Fair dinkum.

Have fun.

[baronWastelan]

Not interested in this debate...

Thanks for letting us know! I was really beginning to wonder

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by RCAF_FB_Orville

Ok. Guns don't stop crimes against personal property.....at all. FACT. How much of the 1 Billion dollars damage in the L.A. Riots did private gun ownership stop, precisely? How many lives did it save? Oh, that's right the ARMY stopped that riot, not 'Charles Bronson' the vigilante.

have a look and see how many properties with armed owners were broken into, genius..

The majority of burglaries in the UK and probably the US too are committed by people with drug addictions, people who are so desperate for their fix nothing will deter them.

That is a bit of a narrow view, which probably applies to your neck of the woods.

The subject was boring the first time and is more tiresome the second. Comprehensive crime figures and per capita murder rates were provided in that thread by others, which prove that gun ownership does not prevent or mitigate crime. In fact, the more guns present in a country...the higher the homicide rate (shock, horror) . A far higher police murder rate, too.

People need guns in the US because they live in a climate of fear. Everyone else has a gun....woah I need one too. A bigger one. Lets not forget that a legal gun owner with no previous is a 'law abiding good citizen', till he/she decides to shoot someone. Sad times when you are so scared for your safety and so terrified you feel you can't go out at night without one. End. Of. Story.

Not interested in this debate as it does not affect me. The vast majority of British people do not want guns, or want increased access or availability, full stop. Other countries can do what they want, up to them and I'm happy for em.

I figured you applied to the category I mentioned above..
What you don't seem (or want) to understand is that thousands of people have guns here and you can still get a license, it's a matter of culture.

Seems groups like the Brady campaign aren't so keen. 83,000 people have been shot this year so far in the States, with 175 people shot today alone. The death toll is typically around the 12,000 a year mark. That's not counting the many thousands more maimed and incapacitated for life.....many of them children in terrible accidents. Incredible. Like I say, let em get on with it....Fair dinkum.

Have fun.

you're looking at numbers without taking demographics and different cultures I'm afraid. But as you said, you don'y really care for this topic, so why you keep on posting your hysterical wuss talk about guns?

[winny]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

That is a bit of a narrow view, which probably applies to your neck of the woods.

Oops, there you go again.. Regional stereotyping

So basically, to get this straight.. you're saying all Geordies are narrow minded?

How very narrow minded of you.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by winny

Oops, there you go again.. Regional stereotyping

So basically, to get this straight.. you're saying all Geordies are narrow minded?

How very narrow minded of you.

I was wondering how long it would take you to join the party

Did I say "all you Geordies are the same"? No, so stop accusing me of things I didn't do.

[RCAF_FB_Orville]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

have a look and see how many properties with armed owners were broken into, genius..


That is a bit of a narrow view, which probably applies to your neck of the woods.


I figured you applied to the category I mentioned above..
What you don't seem (or want) to understand is that thousands of people have guns here and you can still get a license, it's a matter of culture.



you're looking at numbers without taking demographics and different cultures I'm afraid. But as you said, you don'y really care for this topic, so why you keep on posting your hysterical wuss talk about guns?

*sigh*. Here we go again. You are clearly incapable of having a reasonable debate without insulting people with derogatory comments, I honestly don't know how you get away with it. I think this is* due to a lack of any cogent argument, based on facts.

I don't appreciate having aspersions cast upon my intelligence with your derogatory 'Genius' remark, nor being (inaccurately) called a 'hysterical wuss', which is laughable. Stop it.

This 'Genius' did however look at the facts, and found that 'Korea Town' in LA was massively looted and damaged, despite residents banding together with an arsenal of weapons. I also found that truckloads of shops were looted whether the owner was armed or not. Multiple incidents were recorded of the armed Koreans actually shooting at each other in the confusion, which can very easily happen even amongst trained soldiers not to mention civvies....So your confidence in 'Charles Bronson' is sadly misplaced. A young girl named Latasha Harlins was also killed by a Korean shop owner, who had nothing to do with the looting at all. Others were injured.

If shoot outs at the 'OK Corall' are your thing, great. I'd argue that if you live in a society were you feel it is necessary to buy an assault rifle to defend yourself, then there is something badly wrong with that society, something that the proliferation and escalation of gun ownership will not and cannot remedy.

The likelihood of my home being invaded by an armed gunman in the UK is probably comparable with being struck by lightning*, twice. Extremely remote. I have no need for a gun, I am glad to live in a society where* I do not need guns, I don't want to own a gun. The majority of the UK do not want more guns. In fact, they want less.

The fact that you are apparently not even aware of the causal link between drug abuse and crimes against property worldwide, (never mind the UK)....Speaks volumes; this is common knowledge, and empirically proven and demonstrable.

What on earth does where I live/was born have to do with anything? More confused nonsense. Newcastle is not even in the top 10 (or twenty I believe) burglary 'hotspots' in the UK. Places like Nottingham, Leicester, Birmingham, inner city London are.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/p...hot-spots.html

'Narrow views'?! Not sure what you are on about, but nothing new there.

Yes, its a matter of culture. I don't want a Gun culture in the UK, or kids growing up in one, simple as that. Nor do I want to see them outlawed entirely, they have their purposes for 'jobs of work' like farming, maybe sports and that's fine. I don't however want every Tom dick and harry owning one. Nor does anyone else. I have lived in the UK all my life, a lot longer than you.....and your views are a distinct minority. Deal with it, or find somewhere more to your taste if it makes you so unhappy.

@ Nearmiss. Sorry pal but you could not be more wrong if you tried. We'll stick with our ways, thanks a bunch.

Other countries can do their thing and that's great. We'll do ours. With the greatest of respect, I'll take my countries per capita murder rate over the US record in particular, anytime.

Finito.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by RCAF_FB_Orville

*sigh*. Here we go again. You are clearly incapable of having a reasonable debate without insulting people with derogatory comments, I honestly don't know how you get away with it. I think this is* due to a lack of any cogent argument, based on facts.

I don't appreciate having aspersions cast upon my intelligence with your derogatory 'Genius' remark, nor being (inaccurately) called a 'hysterical wuss', which is laughable. Stop it.

to be honest with you, after the passive aggressive stuff you wrote me via PM, I'm surprised you even have the cheek to try and pick up conversations with me.

Let's review your intervention to the topic so far:

1) you butt in with some allegedly clever comment, which in fact shows lack of respect to others..

2).. then, when treated the way you deserve to, you moan?

Just don't bother man, I'm not interested.

This 'Genius' did however look at the facts, and found that 'Korea Town' in LA was massively looted and damaged, despite residents banding together with an arsenal of weapons. I also found that truckloads of shops were looted whether the owner was armed or not. Multiple incidents were recorded of the armed Koreans actually shooting at each other in the confusion, which can very easily happen even amongst trained soldiers not to mention civvies....So your confidence in 'Charles Bronson' is sadly misplaced. A young girl named Latasha Harlins was also killed by a Korean shop owner, who had nothing to do with the looting at all. Others were injured.

If shoot outs at the 'OK Corall' are your thing, great. I'd argue that if you live in a society were you feel it is necessary to buy an assault rifle to defend yourself, then there is something badly wrong with that society, something that the proliferation and escalation of gun ownership will not and cannot remedy.

I'm not here to change your opinion on the matter, in fact I don't care about it, you believe what you want to believe with your "I know it better" attitude.

The likelihood of my home being invaded by an armed gunman in the UK is probably comparable with being struck by lighting, twice. Extremely remote. I have no need for a gun, I am glad to live in a society were I do not need guns, I don't want to own a gun. The majority of the UK do not want more guns. In fact, they want less.

So you don't see your country is already invaded? You must be really blind.. and it doesn't need a man with a gun to break into your house, but I would like to see you talking yourself out of a scenario with two or more men armed with knives and sticks breaking in.. I'm sure the coppers will be there in no time. To collect the bits.

The fact that you are apparently not even aware of the causal link between drug abuse and crimes against property worldwide, (never mind the UK)....Speaks volumes; this is common knowledge, and empirically proven and demonstrable.

Yeah, it's all because of drugs. And the moon is made of cheese too.

What on earth does where I live/was born have to do with anything? More confused nonsense. Newcastle is not even in the top 10 (or twenty I believe) burglary 'hotspots' in the UK. Places like Nottingham, Leicester, Birmingham, inner city London are.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/p...hot-spots.html

'Narrow views'?! Not sure what you are on about, but nothing new there.

that's exactly my point, you only have a partial view of the complex world of crime. And it doesn't surprise me you don't understand what I talk about, you seem to be oblivious to pretty much everything else around you too. Or you know it better..

Yes, its a matter of culture. I don't want a Gun culture in the UK, or kids growing up in one, simple as that. Nor do I want to see them outlawed entirely, they have their purposes for 'jobs of work' like farming, maybe sports and that's fine. I don't however want every Tom dick and harry owning one. Nor does anyone else.

You keep on making the assumption that what you think is what everybody thinks. British citizen were never asked about it, the partial ban was applied and that's it. You're happy to be deprived of your rights overnight, good for you.

I have lived in the UK all my life, a lot longer than you.....and your views are a distinct minority. Deal with it, or find somewhere more to your taste if it makes you so unhappy.

There we go again with the passive aggressive crap.
You embody the worst part of this otherwise beautiful country.

@ Nearmiss. Sorry pal but you could not be more wrong if you tried. We'll stick with our ways, thanks a bunch.

Other countries can do their thing and that's great. We'll do ours. With the greatest of respect, I'll take my countries per capita murder rate over the US record in particular, anytime.

Finito.

*clap clap clap* fantastic.