Vision of the future (By Microsoft not raaaid)

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by Bewolf

I have worked in companies using both Macs and Windows PCs, and it really depends on the components build into a PC, also in regards to stability. More so, there are lots of applications that were never ported over to a Mac, unluckily. Broad statements here in regards to the superiourity of one system to another are a bit like agueing Merits of a Porsche Cayenne vs. a Humvee, completly senseless.

Sorry man, but it still sounds like you never actually worked on a Mac for a prolonged period of time. I have met thousands of professionals who work with both, and not ONE has said "PC is better than Mac", not one.

I am argueing here from a middle ground, and I argue against Apple geeks like you the same way I onced argued against Windows geeks. It's just that Windows is out by now and Apple affictionaed have the same high time now here blowing their praise (some of if justified) totally out of proportion.

I'm sorry, but I don't think of myself as an Apple geek, I work continuously with both, but only one aggravates the hell out of me with recurrent issues, drivers, updates, wifi problems, compatibility issues, security issues, viruses, etc..

In regards to the security issues and legends:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/08...pard_security/
http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/...-snow-leopard/

Viruses are one problem. They are not the end of the line. I never had a Virus problem with a Mac, very true. But then again I only had a Virus problem once in 15 years of using Windows. Not using pron sites too much really helps, btw.

You didn't, but you're a top end user with PC skills, the problem again is that a machine with a susceptible OS like Windows is given to people with little or no IT understanding.
Symantec and many other anti-virus companies make billions by exploiting this deliberate security gap left by Windows (and I say deliberate because once they understood the problem they should have addressed the issue with their newer OS.. and to add insult to injury Microsoft bought shares of Symantec!).

I have my Wacom sitting right next to me and it's a great device, no doubt. I am not a fan of touchpads in their current form, however, so I am not convived about this one.

I was skeptical too, but then I tried it and can't do without now! It's impressive stuff!

not worked with apps yet? you do want to be taken serious, yes? maybe you should extend the favor to others? apps are neat little tings, but they are just programs like all others put into a userfriendly GUI. That's all there is to it. Monitoring, btw, is a many ways street. Figure it out yourself.

Have you actually ever worked to the development of an app? I have, and helped others too. And for a 1000 crappy apps that aren't worth a penny there are 10000 that actually are of some use. Some of the apps we have are revolutionary to say the least, but then again, if you don't try them you don't understand them.
The key of a successful app is not just the program per se, but the fact that it's given a platform with SO much potential because of the way it's built.
Microscopic gyros, HD cameras, retina screen, motion sensors: an iPhone is still the most incredible device on the market of mobile phones.

Call me a cyncic, but in the US of A, in court this really is all that counts. I am not saying there is something wrong in the apporach of Apple, but it's nothing breathtaking either, as the argument goes.

I rest my case that you don't make use of Apple products, otherwise you would understand what I talk about. And believe me, their potential is immense and the more into it you are, the more you can get out of it.
My network and IT setup at home is a typical example of the efficiency of Apple stuff: I have all my music and movies on a mini server, connected to an apple TV and a stereo, which I can control via iTunes either with an iPad or with an iPhone, playing different music or movies around the house, using devices that are constantly offered new, incredible potential by means of quality apps.
You can't remain indifferent to such incredible quality and flexibility.

LoL, be careful to not let that argument come back at you in a couple of years, the roots for that are already laid. Btw, this is exactly why I think you lack objectivity in this debate. Apple has been around now for a very long time. Despite that they never really managed to be a serious contender. Why do you think is that? Fanboyism never is a good sparring partner in an arguement.

I'm very objective man, cos I use both. Again, Microsoft arrived earlier and conquered the market cos it was the first to introduce the revolution, Apple had its ups and downs and it's only in the middle '00s that it became really competitive. You're running by '90s stereotypes I'm afraid (the single button thing you mentioned is an example of it).

This is the first argument here to be actually taken serious, but Macs and PCs are not only precision mashines geared for only once purpose in any given company. In fact, many companies "need" Windows because they have to utilize their machines for in parts very different tasks. Esepcially new companies do a lot better with Windows simply because it is a more flexible machine. I am not declarting your argument wrong here, but it is a very narrow view for very specialised taks. And let's not forget the private users, which probably require even more flexebility.

The need is based on pre-conceptions. The Intel based Macs now can do anything a PC can do.
And private users don't need more flexibility, only game nerds like us lot do, but if games were developed for more stable machines, imagine how quick game developing would be, and how much better things would work. Think of all the problems the guys here are having in terms of setting, beta issues and solutions etc...
Again, videogaming on home devices is about to die, soon it will be only a case of cloud gaming anyway.

All that said, I am not going to argue against a man on a mission, so you will have to go it alone from here. I can just advise to get a bit more distance towards the topic.

I'm no man on a mission, I am just sharing my experience as someone who worked on PCs and Macs for 15 years. I just can't stand people that slag Macs or Apple just because they've been brainwashed and never actually used one.