Hitler Died In Argentina.

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

erm, and what are you basing your assumption on?

Because I've seen the records on 1 of the dozen or so "this is how Hitler died" history shows.

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

I still don't see why it's absurd, so many people died bringing their secrets (or others') to their grave: think about all the people that work for the secret services or that were involved in illegal actions.. I really do not comprehend why it's not plausible.

It's not plausible because this would have been the biggest secret in modern history. It might be possible for 1 or 2 people to keep that secret, but it's not possible for everyone who would have known. The idea that Hitler could get 20+ minions to lie for him even as his closest supporters (Himmler and Goering) are stabbing him in the back is too absurd to even consider. It's one of the most idiotic things I have ever heard.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by IamNotDavid

Because I've seen the records on 1 of the dozen or so "this is how Hitler died" history shows.

you might have seen reports or results, it's a known fact the records were destroyed.

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It's not plausible because this would have been the biggest secret in modern history. It might be possible for 1 or 2 people to keep that secret, but it's not possible for everyone who would have known. The idea that Hitler could get 20+ minions to lie for him even as his closest supporters (Himmler and Goering) are stabbing him in the back is too absurd to even consider. It's one of the most idiotic things I have ever heard.[/QUOTE]

Really? You probably also believe that Lee Harvey Oswald shot Kennedy all by himself

you're just looking for another trolling occasion, I personally never cared too much for your opinions, but if you have facts that state without the shadow of a doubt that the remains the Russians allegedly found in a crater close to the bunker were indeed those of Hitler and Eva Braun, then feel free to expose them here, otherwise feel free not to share your opinions, especially if they're denigratory of other people's thoughts and generally offensive.

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

you might have seen reports or results, it's a known fact the records were destroyed.

No, I saw x-rays. So the reports about the records being destroyed were probably exaggerated.

Really? You probably also believe that Lee Harvey Oswald shot Kennedy all by himself

Non sequitur.

you're just looking for another trolling occasion,

I'm not the one making idiotic and unsupported claims about Hitler escaping from Berlin.

I personally never cared too much for your opinions, but if you have facts that state without the shadow of a doubt that the remains the Russians allegedly found in a crater close to the bunker were indeed those of Hitler and Eva Braun, then feel free to expose them here, otherwise feel free not to share your opinions, especially if they're denigratory of other people's thoughts and generally offensive.

You're the one making the idiotic claim that Hitler may have survived, it's up to you to provide the evidence. So far you've got NOTHING.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by IamNotDavid

No, I saw x-rays. So the reports about the records being destroyed were probably exaggerated.

you saw X-Rays of what exactly? And what were they compared with?

Non sequitur.

yeah, you proved my point, ta.

I'm not the one making idiotic and unsupported claims about Hitler escaping from Berlin.

You're the one making the idiotic claim that Hitler may have survived, it's up to you to provide the evidence. So far you've got NOTHING.

I'm not saying that either, the author of the book says so, but before calling other people names, a habit that you have and that is really out of place, you might want to hear other people's opinion, instead of going LALALALALALALALALA!

Is there any evidence that proves the bones the Russians have are indeed of Hitler? No. The skull bit they showed is of a woman between her 20s and 40s, as per forensic evidence of FBI experts, and the alleged jaw bone they have is apparently "too fragile" to show to the world.. if you're happy with that explanation then yes, they have Hitler's remains.

If you have a bit of common sense and think that maybe there's a remote chance the Russians are saying a load of baloney, then you might want to look at what facts are available, none of which in fact proves what the Russians claim.

Did Hitler survive? Go to Argentina? Antartica? The Moon?! I don't know, but I would wait to read what others found out about it before calling them idiots.

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

you saw X-Rays of what exactly? And what were they compared with?

What the F do you think the x-rays were off? They were from his dentist. They were compared with the teeth the Russians had.

I'm not saying that either, the author of the book says so, but before calling other people names, a habit that you have and that is really out of place, you might want to hear other people's opinion, instead of going LALALALALALALALALA!

Does he explain how 20+ people would go to their graves lying for Hitler even as his closest supporters stab him in the back? If not, there is no point in listening to him. And I'm not the one going LALALALALALALA here.

Is there any evidence that proves the bones the Russians have are indeed of Hitler? No. The skull bit they showed is of a woman between her 20s and 40s, as per forensic evidence of FBI experts, and the alleged jaw bone they have is apparently "too fragile" to show to the world.. if you're happy with that explanation then yes, they have Hitler's remains.

Don't know and don't care. If you don't have a plausible explanation why everyone is lying for Hitler, your story is a fraud. That's why Himmler and Goering are such a big problem for you. They were his closest supporters, and they both stabbed him in the back. Do you really think that low level minions would have acted any differently?

If you have a bit of common sense and think that maybe there's a remote chance the Russians are saying a load of baloney, then you might want to look at what facts are available, none of which in fact proves what the Russians claim.

See above about no plausible justification for lying.

Did Hitler survive? Go to Argentina? Antartica? The Moon?! I don't know, but I would wait to read what others found out about it before calling them idiots.

See about about no plausible justification for lying.

The main problem for this idiocy is that you can't justify how everyone would lie for Hitler when all their incentive is to stab him in the back (see Himmler et al). Not only is it implausible that everyone he left behind would lie for him, it's idiotic.

yeah, you proved my point, ta.

All we seem to have proved here is that you don't know what a non sequitur is.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by IamNotDavid

All we seem to have proved here is that you don't know what a non sequitur is.

that's the answer I would expect by someone who believes that Oswald was indeed the killer of JFK. Otherwise a simple "no, I'm not an idiot, thank you" would have sufficed.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by IamNotDavid

What the F do you think the x-rays were off? They were from his dentist. They were compared with the teeth the Russians had.

Even if this actually matches, you can appreciate that Russian intelligence could produce such evidence, don't you think? They needed him dead, or at least they needed some sort of evidence.

Does he explain how 20+ people would go to their graves lying for Hitler even as his closest supporters stab him in the back? If not, there is no point in listening to him. And I'm not the one going LALALALALALALA here.



Don't know and don't care. If you don't have a plausible explanation why everyone is lying for Hitler, your story is a fraud. That's why Himmler and Goering are such a big problem for you. They were his closest supporters, and they both stabbed him in the back. Do you really think that low level minions would have acted any differently?



See above about no plausible justification for lying.



See about about no plausible justification for lying.

The main problem for this idiocy is that you can't justify how everyone would lie for Hitler when all their incentive is to stab him in the back (see Himmler et al). Not only is it implausible that everyone he left behind would lie for him, it's idiotic.

I really think you fail to comprehend the fanatism around Hitler's persona. Kids and old men were fighting a lost battle to defend Berlin, they could have surrendered, but they didn't. The only one in the high ranks that had this fanatic view of Hitler was probably Goebbels, the rest of the big wigs were just trying to save their asses or pursuing their plans: Himmler was a cunning bastard who was running his personal agenda, Doenitz had already found an agreement with the Allies, Goering was an utter imbecile, but he surely didn't love his Fuhrer more than he loved himself..

For a better understanding of German fanatism for Hitler read "History of the Third Reich" by your compatriot William L. Shirer, he really managed to give an accurate portrayal of Germany as seen with the eyes of a foreigner.

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

I really think you fail to comprehend the fanatism around Hitler's persona.

No, I comprehend it completely. At the end of the war his closest supporters stabbed him in the back. What part of that are you not understanding? These people didn't fight fanatically to the end, they tried to save their own backsides. The people in the bunker weren't fighting fanatically, they were hiding. If one of then could have got better treatment for turning on Hitler they would have done so in a heartbeat. The idea that they all conspired to lie to help Hitler abandon them is one of the most idiotic things I have ever heard. It's almost as bad as the fake Moon landing morons.

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Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

Is there any evidence that proves the bones the Russians have are indeed of Hitler? No. The skull bit they showed is of a woman between her 20s and 40s, as per forensic evidence of FBI experts, and the alleged jaw bone they have is apparently "too fragile" to show to the world.. if you're happy with that explanation then yes, they have Hitler's remains.

yeah, the 'alleged' jawbone they 'allegedly' have is 'allegedly' soo fragile that it was the main topic of a german small-budget documentary, where a noted german dentist and forensics expert examined the teeth, compared them with records and clearly known facts about hitler's teeth, as well as reviewing footage of hitler speaking in order to get glimpses of his teeth for further comparison.
I know you weirdo conspiracy theorists, really. There's absolutely NO hope to ever bring reason to anyone of you (@david: Don't try, its wasted time, really) or to resolve your I-know-more-than-the-average-joe complex. And your next statement will be: "Show me that 'alleged' documentary". But I'm not your servant and the burden of proof lies entirely with the wierdo ('weirdo' is freestyle spelling, right?) faction, as it has always been. It ran on german TV station N24 or n-tv. Go find it. Final comment. Hitler died on 30.04.45.
Mh well, another comment/question, just out of interest: How would you connect the statements:
-A.H. married Eva Braun on 29.04.45.
-The corpses of A.H. and E.B. were placed in a shell crater in the Reichskanzlei and a cremation was attempted
-That skull fragment, found in the same box as the teeth(see documentary), could perhaps point not to A.H. but to a woman in her 30s
?!?

P.S.:Newsflash: The US of A never landed on the moon! Proof: The moon is actually the backside of the sun. Q.E.D.!