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Originally Posted by winny

When I said Laws were a restiction of rights, you said they weren't. You said they were a 'restriction on behaviour'. But, you have repeatedly said that the current gun laws are affecting your rights. When I say the same thing you tell me I'm wrong. This is a direct contradiction.

Quote me where I've contradicted myself?

you know what's ironic? If you put all these energies in getting informed about our rights and exercise your voting one you'd surely do yourself and your community a bigger service. But considering how lazy you are, it's easier like this, defending opinions that have been taken for you by your nanny state. I have no intention of rummaging through your posts any longer, sorry.

As for xenophobia, I'm talking to an individual, not an Itallian, who has sat there and listed all that is wrong with the UK, over and over again, if you were English I'd still say 'if you don't like it that much leave.' Your nationality is of no importance. I have not mentioned anything about Italy, you have mentioned lots of negative points, sterotypes and historical wrongs about the UK, and you call me a xenophobe.

it's not a race on who has the better country, and it's Italian (since you're so pedantic about names' spelling).
It's not just me who "sits and lists" what's wrong buddy, have a look around: people that are informed and care about their country (more than you), are expressing growing concern.

So don't try and assasinate my character with slurrs like xenophobe, it is not true. You'll say anything to defend your hobby.

well I think it was more a case of character suicide, when you admitted you don't vote. But hey, feel free to feed your denial and use me as a scapegoat.

And of course I'd say anything to defend my hobby (or my rights), I'm not a sheep.

All I have ever said is I don't want the current guns laws changed, because at some point they will issue a licence to someone who shouldn't have one, because the authorities don't exactly fill me with confidence.

as laws are now licenses can still be issued to wrong people. You still haven't explained me how a fullbore semiauto is worse than a 22rimfire semiauto, or why a muzzle loading revolver is less lethal than a pistol.

Less people in the UK died from being shot last year than died from farming accidents, where have we got it so wrong? Where are all these gun waving murderes that you need a gun to defend yourself?

Of course, there are less than 50k guns for 60 millions of people! I don't need a gun to defend myself from a gun waving murderer, but potentially for anybody who would try and commit a violent assault to me, my family or my property. How can you be happy to live in a society where you can't even provide for your family protection? Is it just a case of "let's hope it's not gonna happen to me", then if it happens you'll still say "tough"?

You were at gunpoint yourself, which means that criminals can still get a pistol, so why shouldn't you? It's obvious that police forces can't limit the presence of illegal firearms in this country, so thank you very much, but I'd rather defend myself with my own means.
In that immediate stance you risked your life without being able to defend yourself. You hit the guy and he fled (which probably means his gun was fake), but what if you missed or if he decided he wanted more from you than just your wallet? It's insane to think you went through that and still think you shouldn't be able to ultimately defend yourself.

As for your statistic, please link your sources, it's a bit random otherwise, and data can be manipulated.