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[nearmiss]

Originally Posted by zapatista

interesting, with the new bit being that there was indeed direct contact between RoF and the il2 team at the start (i hadnt seen that confirmed yet, and just knew about the overlapping time lines)

what i DO remember about that period is that there were incidents of attempted (and successful ?) code theft, and that some of those that were fired were because of unprofessional behavior and breaches of confidentiality, it was not a technical competency thing, there were "incidents" that led oleg to fire them, that much was clear.

one savior in all this was oleg's modular game design, were no single programer (other then himself) had an overview of the whole project, or had working integrated code. they each worked on their own area's, object and plane design, flight models, scenery, grafix engine , terrain detail etc..

pieces of the puzzle are starting to come together, we need some russian speaking contributors to unravel the rest.

Go to ubisoft forums and stir up Gibbage, he used to work for Oleg progamming IL2. He has made so many rants, he is basically ignored. Yet a newb will hang on his every word.

At this point nothing matters that has passed. We all hope for the sake of our community that Luthier and the current dev team is up to the task.

No sense wagging a finger at the devs, Luthier or Oleg and saying naughty, naughty... it's a done deal. The devs have to move on. We would do ourselves good service to move on from all the speculations, whines, rants, etc.

I have every confidence as the fixes come to us, the COD patches will encourage new zeal from our community.

[Al Schlageter]

Originally Posted by nearmiss

Go to ubisoft forums and stir up Gibbage, he used to work for Oleg progamming IL2. He has made so many rants, he is basically ignored. Yet a newb will hang on his every word.

No he didn't. He was a graphic artist doing a/c.

[SiThSpAwN]

Interesting info from OP, but it still feels like a pissing contest in here, lets move forward and not worry about how we got here. I agree with Tree that communication is sorely lacking, and would love to see that improve, I dont need a patch tomorrow if it is not ready, but I would love to know how its going, even if its just a hi, we are working, and here is a goofy video

[Seeker]

Oh please, what's this, the new conspiracy Oleg defence?

Even if Clod's code base was lifted intact and ported to another game (which is what is being implied), I can see how that might give A.N. Other developer a good head start, but it in no way explains why Clod fell so far behind.

If A.N. Other developer can lift Oleg's magic code, and, on the base of it, get a full featured game running in two years, why couldn't Oleg?

I smell even more BS than usual for this forum.

What's next? Oleg could have made the game he took our money for, if only he hadn't had to save the World from Chenobyl?

Pathetic.

[zapatista]

Originally Posted by Seeker

Oh please, what's this, the new conspiracy Oleg defence?

Even if Clod's code base was lifted intact and ported to another game (which is what is being implied),

no it isnt what is being implied at all.

in order to participate in a meaningful way you are at least expected to read what others wrote before you, and then make an effort to apply some basic reasoning and logic to the (few) real facts we have. then substract the influence from tree's deliberate thread crapping with misinformation and attitude of "lets blame oleg for everything" , and you'd arrive at the starting point of roughly having a sensible conversation.

what was being said is that there were 2 phases where significant time was lost
1) 2 years after the project started they ditched the "advanced il2 game/gfx engine", and
2) when there was some major upheaval another 2 or 3 yrs later when oleg fired a bunch of people because of unprofessional conduct and breaches of confidentiality and oleg had to restructure large parts of the project

the 3e known fact is that the 2e oleg disruption took place around the time RoF was in its early development (or just started ?). nobody is saying "they" stole the whole code from BoB and instantly started RoF, but there are some links between those events.

i'd love to get some input from russian forum readers on this, but few seem to visit here (other then around the russian release period earlier this year)

the heart of the matter remains unchanged, without oleg's vision, efforts, and previous work, there simply would be no BoB/CoD in ANY form that can aspire to be a high end flightsim, and there never would have been. and since we dont have all the details about the exact reasons for the buggy and unfinished recent release of CoD, putting the sole blame on oleg is silly, partic since we know that up until he was given the "one year release date ultimatum" that led to this fiasco, oleg was still very much involved in its creation (but not anymore beyond that point, which directly relates to the problems we have now)

[LoBiSoMeM]

I want Oleg back. Or a patch next month, if it's possible...

[Seeker]

Originally Posted by zapatista

no it isnt what is being implied at all.

in order to participate in a meaningful way you are at least expected to read what others wrote before you, and then make an effort to apply some basic reasoning and logic to the (few) real facts we have. then substract the influence from tree's deliberate thread crapping with misinformation and attitude of "lets blame oleg for everything" , and you'd arrive at the starting point of roughly having a sensible conversation.

You are exactly and precisely implying that code was lost and reused. Perhaps English isn't your first language? Try rereading your post.

And why, if you are trying to have a conversation, do you bring Tree into it? I really can't see the relevance of Tree's postings juxtapostioned with my own. It's a basic logic and reasoning thing.


As for blaming Oleg for everything, well yes. That's what being in charge means, it means taking responsibility for the mistakes and failures of your underlings, and taking the credit and praise for their good work. Again, it's a basic logic and reasoning thing.

How does the game run on your system, and are you satisfied with it?

[Madfish]

Originally Posted by Seeker

As for blaming Oleg for everything, well yes. That's what being in charge means, it means taking responsibility for the mistakes and failures of your underlings, and taking the credit and praise for their good work. Again, it's a basic logic and reasoning thing.

How does the game run on your system, and are you satisfied with it?

We don't know if he's responsible. There is a whole lot of background going on behind the scenes. Deals with publishers, models that are being used in multiple projects etc.

I do agree, he is probably the one in charge. But then again: some posters here are so obsessed with pointing out even absolutely laughable flaws, like tracers and other minor stuff, that I begin asking myself if they're all the image of god or if they have been treating their mothers and fathers in the same respectless and rude way for the shortcomings they burdened upon them by giving birth to them?

Not everything is perfect in life - but we'll see new additional content and bug fixes. So if you haven't bought the game yet then don't and wait. If you have just go outside and enjoy the summer while it lasts and avoid all the stress. Maybe we'll get a sunny winter with a better sim when some more patches are out heh?

[nearmiss]

Originally Posted by Al Schlageter

No he didn't. He was a graphic artist doing a/c.

I recall he was doing work for Oleg. I read a bunch of his postings and he prevailed upon us he was somewhat of an authority.

His credentials were widened over time. LOL

Regardless, I found many of his postings good information.

[Mad G]

Originally Posted by nearmiss

Go to ubisoft forums and stir up Gibbage, he used to work for Oleg progamming IL2. He has made so many rants, he is basically ignored. Yet a newb will hang on his every word.

At this point nothing matters that has passed. We all hope for the sake of our community that Luthier and the current dev team is up to the task.

No sense wagging a finger at the devs, Luthier or Oleg and saying naughty, naughty... it's a done deal. The devs have to move on. We would do ourselves good service to move on from all the speculations, whines, rants, etc.

I have every confidence as the fixes come to us, the COD patches will encourage new zeal from our community.

I agree and hope too this sim will be fixed, but why Luthier or somebody of his team doesn´t post any info in weeks?...