Would you be willing to pay for additional contend?

[Blackdog_kt]

Originally Posted by Bryan21cag

I am not 100% sure on this but I don't think you can have both. If you are putting out single planes and single campaigns for people to buy then you really do not want open access for modders to create the same thing that you are trying to sell. If you were a Mod God you would just wait and see what the items were make them your self and drop them for free on to the mod sites, so my guess is if they went this way they would also have to change the code around to prevent this. That is why it scares me a little if they do entertain this idea at some point.

Cheers

According to one of their past interviews they didn't want to go with a RoF-style business model, but stick to the way it was done in IL2 with complete expansion packs.

Now it's true that many things have changed due to publisher pressure, but i think we have clear indications this is not one of them:

a) We got the 109E-1 for free and the E-4 is probably next (new aircraft mentioned in the last development update as being part of the patch).

b) In one of the development updates they mentioned the release of an SDK as being the next step after the bug fixing is done, which would enable the community to mod new aircraft and maps into the sim. The limitation is the map size so they can still sell expansions with large maps down the road.

c) The sim is very moddable even in its current state for people who have some programming knowledge: it's possible to insert custom campaigns with their own menu entries, create new overlay windows from scratch, etc.

So i think they are not going down that road and i'm glad for it.

Originally Posted by Tree_UK

Another lovely long post Blackdog, and yes we have heard it all before, and it's good to see you towing the party line, but you see it really doesn't matter what you or I think, everyone who reads these forums as read every argument and point of view and it doesn't matter how rational you appear to be, because the bottom line is that the majority of people here feel they have been 'ripped off' and furthermore the general feeling is at this current time Luthier is not doing enough (communication wise) to show that he gives a rat's ass about it. Yes he's payed lip service to it with the 'Community manager' that seems to have gotton lost in the Dynamic weather so he knows its important to us, we should be patient I hear you cry, but thats not what we want, we want to be kept informed, and 'the customer is always right'.
You can dress it up all you want, but that's the general mood. The only person who can change this, is not a moderator with a stubborn sense of duty but Luthier himself. If he carries on to ignore 'his' valued customers then he and his business will suffer and deservedly so for the lack of respect that he has shown on these boards by not keeping us (the paying customer) informed. Simples!

I'm not trying to convince you. I'm just saying i disagree and you're not worth the time convincing, so i just post to maintain my opposing viewpoint's time under the spotlights to prevent the forum giving off the false aura of everybody agreeing with your viewpoint. It's a devil's advocate kind of thing.

Oh and don't bring up the moderating status in this, if i wanted to silence you guys i could have done so on the first day and saved myself the time of answering you, it's just a couple of clicks worth of time.

I just don't believe in forcing my opinion across and that's why you are still posting here.

If you can't appreciate this it's none of my concern, but don't expect me to accept the kind of treatment i refuse to dish out, you're going to get called out on it. Nothing personal, just calling them as i see them

Originally Posted by Blackdog_kt

According to one of their past interviews they didn't want to go with a RoF-style business model, but stick to the way it was done in IL2 with complete expansion packs.

Now it's true that many things have changed due to publisher pressure, but i think we have clear indications this is not one of them:

a) We got the 109E-1 for free and the E-4 is probably next (new aircraft mentioned in the last development update as being part of the patch).

b) In one of the development updates they mentioned the release of an SDK as being the next step after the bug fixing is done, which would enable the community to mod new aircraft and maps into the sim. The limitation is the map size so they can still sell expansions with large maps down the road.

c) The sim is very moddable even in its current state for people who have some programming knowledge: it's possible to insert custom campaigns with their own menu entries, create new overlay windows from scratch, etc.

So i think they are not going down that road and i'm glad for it.





I'm not trying to convince you. I'm just saying i disagree and you're not worth the time convincing, so i just post to maintain my opposing viewpoint's time under the spotlights to prevent the forum giving off the false aura of everybody agreeing with your viewpoint. It's a devil's advocate kind of thing.

Oh and don't bring up the moderating status in this, if i wanted to silence you guys i could have done so on the first day and saved myself the time of answering you, it's just a couple of clicks worth of time.

I just don't believe in forcing my opinion across and that's why you are still posting here.

If you can't appreciate this it's none of my concern, but don't expect me to accept the kind of treatment i refuse to dish out, you're going to get called out on it. Nothing personal, just calling them as i see them

Thats all fine but as a moderator its worth knowing that your view point isn't what is generally accepted on these forums, but i'm sure you are already aware of that. Oh and for the record i very much do appreciate that you haven't banned me or all the others that feel the same way. Also, all the polls we have had do suggest that the mass majority of people on here do agree with my viewpoint, and further to that a very large amount of people who were once die hard Luthier supporters have changed thier opinion since the release, not because of the patch updates but because of the lack of communication. You are in the minority on this one, but like you have said you do have the ban button to fall back on should you want to change the tide.

[Icebear]

Originally Posted by Blackdog_kt

According to one of their past interviews they didn't want to go with a RoF-style business model, but stick to the way it was done in IL2 with complete expansion packs.

Could you please be so kind and give us source link ? A RoF-Style business model would be a nightmare and IMO the end of the series.

[Pluto]

No, not necessarily, dont wake up sleeping dogs with your thread !

Your question reminds me of the f... news on TV, when something bad happens somewhere in the world, for ex. a terrorist attack.
They always ask: "could that also happen here ?" They ask that question continuously until someone sick enough to do it will answer: "yes of course, I´ll show you !"

Very bad idea to even bring up that question !!!

Especially for a not even finished sim like Cliffs of Dover. let me first get for what I paid, I still dont have it!!!

Originally Posted by esmiol

for me the system of ROF to pay each plane is just horrible !

i will pay for extra content like i do for il2 forgotten battle or pacific fighter, etc... in one word addons!

i don't want to pay for each plane...or each visor or for each boulon of my plane like it is coming in ROF.


then my repsonse is NO!

sim genre is small...ww1 sim genre even smaller...they are doin this to survive...and we want them to survive...so I think its ok...at least they are giving us something good (and which looks good) which we can actually play and enjoy without a need for having a nuclear pc...and btw, wer getting updates very often and devs communication with customers is 5/5.

[Bonkin]

I voted yes... I agree with Ned

Originally Posted by NedLynch

I guess my point is, money is the fuel that makes every business engine run and microtransactions would just be one source the dev team could tap to keep going in the long run.

Whichever way you look at it the game will only get better if there are developers working on it. I purchased the download version - and personally, for what we have I don't think its bad value for money - but then I do play almost exclusively on-line so have not really got into the single missions or campaigns.

I'm sure that if say a flyable Wellington or Beaufighter was offered for download at a reasonable price (together with missions/campaigns etc) then there would be a lot of interest - whether you voted yes or no.

[=FI=Scott]

Would I pay for DLC from 1C based on my experiences with CoD ? Not in the way I bought the game (CE on pre-order). I would buy DLC after it was released and after I had chance to hear what other users have to say. Also I think it is a valid point that it only took a few weeks with CoD before there were big discounts available and I would wait and see if that happened with any future release.

That has nothing to do with financially punishing Ubi, 1c or MG it is just that I would be far more cautious in the future buying anything from them based on what happened with CoD. Obviously paying for a patch to repair CoD would be out of the question but I do not think MG would do that anyway.

The comparison with the RoF model raises what I always saw as one of its biggest flaws- you need only buy what you want. I don't enjoy flying bombers that much (apart from the Brisfit!) so passed on four DLC aircraft out of the past six. I have no problem with that business model but I think expansions in packs is the better option for a developer.

[Timberwolf]

game isn't worth the money i spent in the first place and to the fact ..."were working hard" to see other 1c projects being pushed out and are monthly info on whats new ..to be banjo music and whats in the "near" future pass

However there is gossip of 2 dogfight sims coming ..You can fly all the planes you want but have to level your pilots exp to get items like "hawkeye" see enemys at a further distance per level with talk of a cheap download price and item buys ..beta fall of 2012

[Fjordmonkey]

Originally Posted by Timberwolf

However there is gossip of 2 dogfight sims coming ..You can fly all the planes you want but have to level your pilots exp to get items like "hawkeye" see enemys at a further distance per level with talk of a cheap download price and item buys ..beta fall of 2012

If you're thinking about World of Planes, don't insult the genre by call it a sim. It'll be a sim in comparison to IL2:CloD about as much as World of Tanks is a sim compared to Steel Beasts. I.e. not at all.