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IL-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover Latest instalment in the acclaimed IL-2 Sturmovik series from award-winning developer Maddox Games.

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Old 08-09-2011, 04:43 PM
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I am not "perfectly" satisfied with the recent/current update...
However, it did accomplish one thing?
It did help restore some order in the "house"...

Communication must continue...in an orderly fashion and it must
meet the customers expectations.

The "repair" of the sim?
Must meet those same expectations.

My expectations are reasonably met....for awhile.

What was stated by others...?
That more info from luthier would be met by more criticism?
Has not been proven to be true...
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Old 08-09-2011, 01:09 PM
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I don't know about you, but I paid them so they could WORK, not chat with us.
Great line! I gotta remember that one next time my boss asks me for a progress update.
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Old 08-09-2011, 02:00 PM
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Great line! I gotta remember that one next time my boss asks me for a progress update.
Yeah tell your boss you're not paying him to talk to you that will turn some heads
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Old 08-09-2011, 05:15 PM
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I don't know about you, but I paid them so they could WORK, not chat with us.
Part of "work" means keeping us informed. If you think development progress updates and community dialogue aren't a valuable part of the software development process then you are sadly out of touch.
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Old 08-09-2011, 05:46 PM
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Part of "work" means keeping us informed. If you think development progress updates and community dialogue aren't a valuable part of the software development process then you are sadly out of touch.
The clue here is. Luthier knows english. He isn't afraid to use it, and by simply not keeping an open dialogue he avoids being "dragged into" the mess we've made these forums. I believe the man chooses not to provide us an update until there is actually a small list of things to report. It's like people with their facebook status too.

Some people like to say they are going on a vacation, so first they pack everything, then they drive to the airport, then they are trying to find their flight, then they are waiting for their flight, then they are boarding, then they are "HELLO BOGNOR REGIS!" and meet their family etc etc. Personally, I can't stand that livefeed update stuff. It's better they say @Bognor Regis so people know they're home, we don't need the details of the entire journey :p

I'd rather have consistent updates, like Luther has said he will try to do But what's the point if he can only say, we're pretty much in the middle of progress on everything here. Our sound guy has encountered a problem and will need to redo parts of the engine all over again to get the desired results, etc etc. I don't want to know that. I know that developing is a LOT of trial and error and takes loads of attempts to perfect. So if the poor guy has to run through his entire staff, halt them and ask "Ok how you doing? Did you fix that yet?" it's gonna both delay and derail his staff. It's better to set a goal, work towards that and report later, when there's actually some work that's finished and worth showing off. Just look at the complaints on last update!

"But the cockpit colours are off...." "that doesn't look like metal..." etc etc. Even though he stated they weren't final people stated they were unsatisfied.

I think, if they are working on something, and it's not finished, and friday is there and everything's basically a wip, perhaps a lot of features are in the grayzone of being postponed or released, it's too early to say anything at all. I still hear people cry about that Su-26. If they learned anything, it was that promising all this stuff and not delivering is a mistake. So I don't want any update on how the update is going. Just give us a pure update.

All the errors, bugs, issues, wrong performances and wishlists are posted and here for them to find and read. I'm sure Luthier has ctrl+c'ed the long list published by insuber. I'm sure he has noticed the guy named Tree_UK on these forums.

Right now, I expect nothing until Friday next week after work. Then I have 50/50 hopes that he will say something about the patch, or nothing because it's not done yet.

At least by paying for the game, it has allowed to continuation of the project, as opposed to it being sent to the grave. That vase thingy is probably the queerest thing i've heard here btw. Who has fun with a vase? The sim is partially functional, it has it's basic mechanics working and will allow dogfights etc. and I agree it's more of a beta than anything else. But I'm happier playing it now, having supported the team in the process, than either A) Waiting for it to be released, or B) Hearing about the cancellation of the project due to lack of funds. Imagine waiting 6 years for nothing, rather than 6 years for something. Something that is being improved Most stuff you buy, like vases, or the more popular metaphor, "CARS" tend to wither and wear down over time. Software does not Given all the whine produced from these forums the sim should age in a cellar


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Old 08-09-2011, 06:10 PM
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Tragically misguided...

It's obvious you can't be made to see the light so I'll take my leave of this thread. Ta ta for now.
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Old 08-09-2011, 06:26 PM
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Geeez............
Luthier finally spoke up....
Almost all of the "whiners"...shut up...
Now, this?

How about just leaving things alone for a few weeks....
Give luthier a break...Give the mods a break...Give the community a break...

Why shouldn't we all?
Just give it a rest...for a couple of weeks...

I'm going to reload COD...give it another go...and wait for coming patch...

See y'all up there....
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Old 08-09-2011, 06:27 PM
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That vase thingy is probably the queerest thing i've heard here btw. Who has fun with a vase?


/vent off
It was a metaphor about buying something broken and unfinished, that obviously went over your head.
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Old 08-09-2011, 08:15 PM
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I don't know about you, but I paid them so they could WORK, not chat with us.
logical fallacy....

no one wants them to chat with us...but 5 minutes spent on an update once a week...i mean you think they are constantly working, from the min they get into the office to the min they leave...im sure just like any office they chat and eat and drink from time to time, their probably is some amount of downtime during the day, and while they are chatting or doing what ever with their coworkers they could bang out and update or communication..

you are a joke...stop trying to use misdirection cuz you have no other argument or point to make....
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Old 08-09-2011, 08:38 PM
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Sorry, but as a SP player this game does not feel 90% done, the AI and radio are the big killers (I'm sure you already knew this) so not all the bugs are in the past.
I'm mostly an offliner too. People place different amounts of importance on each feature.

For example, for me the radio commands and the AI sure are important, but there's other stuff (a couple aircraft systems and a few CEM issues) that i rate higher on my "please fix" list.

Now, Luthier hasn't even talked about them but i'm not going to ask for it in every single thread: the issues i want fixed are already reported in Insuber's bug report thread and i'm sure as soon as they're done fixing what most of the people ask for, they'll move on to my less popular fixes too.
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