What a tracer should look like (before spazzing just look).

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by Dialn911

7.62x39mm, .50 bmg, 5.56mm, 7.62X51mm, (30 cal)

ok, let me recap, so you shot with a Kalashnikov, an M2, an M4 and a 30cal(30.06), right?

Most European countries don't allow automatic weapons for private use, but while in the Army I was trained to the use of:

1) the MG42/59, which is the Beretta version, chambering the 7.62 NATO round (comparable to a .308 Winchester), on both rates of fire (900rpm and 1500rpm)
2) the .50cal HMG M2, standard NATO issue
3) Beretta AR70/90, in 5.56mm NATO
4) Colt M4, also in 5.56 NATO

While travelling in the US and in exchange programs with other armies I also used similar weapons, but most notably:

1) M134 Minigun in 7.62mm NATO (shot from a helicopter stand in the sea)
2) HK21 in 7.62mm
3) M1919 in .30cal (or .30-06)

I have also seen heavier calibre guns being shot, but their range and ballistics quite differ from WW2 ones.

For whatever what I just wrote up is worth, I think that in terms of brightness the tracers of CoD are quite spot on, and although the brightness might look a bit too high (esp at a distance, but I have seen different colours/tracers behaving in different ways), I reckon they did quite a neat job with it.

As for the curvature, yes, there should be and as far as I could see there is, tracers burn for different times, and surely look like lasers (it's very thrilling to see them the first time!). Another thing to take into account is that the trajectory of tracers can differ from the other bullets because of its different weight, but this becomes more tangible at certain distances.

[Dialn911]

Well, I guess we will have to disagree. There have been vets and people such as I who have fired these things that say both. Half say they look "real", the other half, me included, say they look fake and crappy.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by Dialn911

Well, I guess we will have to disagree. There have been vets and people such as I who have fired these things that say both. Half say they look "real", the other half, me included, say they look fake and crappy.

This different opinions of people with similar experience is very surprising. I for one can tell that I've seen them in action in different settings/locations, and they pretty much all look like the ones below. Some are more smoky because of the size/tracer compound, but the streak is pretty spot on. For the people that never saw them in real life, there are countless videos on the internet that show how spot on the tracers are. Bear in mind that they've been developed to function like the real thing, by actually leaving a streak behind, not just as a fixed texture (hence the accurate rendition at slower shutter speeds). Can I ask you what you reckon they should look more like?

Anyway, among the many videos in different calibres, this one is quite spot on: the only minor squiggles you see with the tracers are due to the movement of the operator's hand (who's fairly steady actually).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOlRK...eature=related

[Dialn911]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

This different opinions of people with similar experience is very surprising. I for one can tell that I've seen them in action in different settings/locations, and they pretty much all look like the ones below. Some are more smoky because of the size/tracer compound, but the streak is pretty spot on. For the people that never saw them in real life, there are countless videos on the internet that show how spot on the tracers are. Bear in mind that they've been developed to function like the real thing, by actually leaving a streak behind, not just as a fixed texture (hence the accurate rendition at slower shutter speeds). Can I ask you what you reckon they should look more like?

Anyway, among the many videos in different calibres, this one is quite spot on: the only minor squiggles you see with the tracers are due to the movement of the operator's hand (who's fairly steady actually).

Actually, this looks fine here, but in my opinion this looks nothing like the game.

In the game, the tracers are moving faster then this, the FPS is WAY to high on COD, the tracers in this video are moving at a healthy pace, but nothing as fast as COD. play the game and watch how fast the bullet's are traveling. Their moving twice as fast as these.The rate of fire is also way to high, either that or there is literally a tracer in every round.

Also, notice on your video how the tracers go out and appear to hang for a moment and then begin to drop? COD does none of this. There is no arcing round or glowing ball. You cant see any tracers floating in the distance. They literally go out like lasers and vanish before your eyes. If the game tracers looked like this and had these characteristics, I would be happy. However they are a far cry from looking like this video.
Also, who the hell thought to use white tracers as default? White tracers? com one on.... no one uses white tracers.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by Dialn911

Actually, this looks fine here, but in my opinion this looks nothing like the game.

In the game, the tracers are moving faster then this, the FPS is WAY to high on COD, the tracers in this video are moving at a healthy pace, but nothing as fast as COD. play the game and watch how fast the bullet's are traveling. Their moving twice as fast as these.The rate of fire is also way to high, either that or there is literally a tracer in every round.

Also, notice on your video how the tracers go out and appear to hang for a moment and then begin to drop? COD does none of this. There is no arcing round or glowing ball. You cant see any tracers floating in the distance. They literally go out like lasers and vanish before your eyes. If the game tracers looked like this and had these characteristics, I would be happy. However they are a far cry from looking like this video.
Also, who the hell thought to use white tracers as default? White tracers? com one on.... no one uses white tracers.

hang on hang on, let's get things straight here, I think you're making a bit of confusion.

The ones you see in the videos are tracers from a naval .50cal (M2HB), which has a variable rate of 450–635 rounds/min, less than half of an RAF spec version, which had 1200 rounds/min.

Muzzle velocity of the .50cal is 2,910 ft/s (890 m/s), the RAF spec .30cal was around 800 m/s, so it's a slightly slower bullet, but the rate of fire is twice as fast.

As for the colours, if memory serves the RAF used white incendiary/tracers, but I'm trying to look for the info source on this.

[whoarmongar]

No amount of postings of videos of night shot tracer videos have any bearing on CloD tracer effects.
These videos show how tracer can look to a camera at night
The tracers in the game are trying to simulate how a tracer looks to the eye during daylight.
There is simply no comparison.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by whoarmongar

No amount of postings of videos of night shot tracer videos have any bearing on CloD tracer effects.
These videos show how tracer can look to a camera at night
The tracers in the game are trying to simulate how a tracer looks to the eye during daylight.
There is simply no comparison.

What I'm trying to say is that,based on my real life experience (read above),this video is the closest rendition to what it looks like when looking at it with MkI Eyeball.

With all due respect,I think people could express an opinion on this matter ONLY if they saw tracers in real life. Lying about it is just silly and counterproductive me thinks.

[Wolf_Rider]

its comparing modern day naval with WWII air though... completely different beasties, me wooda thort