landscape of official storm of war trailer

[Baron]

Originally Posted by philip.ed

Baron, have you played BoB2? It's a five/six year old game and still has the best campaign/AI/speech-pack of any current sim modelling WW2/BoB. CloD should have nocked it out of the water in this aspect, but it didn't.
Yes with regards to the terrain, BoB2's is largely poor, but when you're flying at angels-20, it's not too far from CloD's, and definitely doesn't detract from the immersion.
In any case, I can see what you're saying, but you seem to have gone off at a massive tangent from Jatta's original post. Yes, the devs can do whatever they like, but I think you have forgotten what Luthier wrote a while back (maybe because he spoke in traditional English, and not text language):

"If we didn't listen to criticism, Il-2 would never in a million years get to where it did back in 2001. So please keep it coming. " That speaks ten-folds for what is useful to the Dev team, and IMHO, constructive criticism for those familiar with England's terrain is useful for them to take on board. Indeed, it also shows a great approach to CloD as well; in that the team is willing to take our criticism on board. Obviously many people's views may conflict, but it is possible to see that there are areas of the terrain which most people predominantly agree on: the trees-placing, the lack of hedge-rows, and the style of the trees in relation to the landscape. Colours and the like are another matter entirely; but the actual geometry of the landscape could clearly be improved (maybe with drastic results).

As i already pointed out, i addressed the topic and some of his post in one go, is it really that hard to understand without thinking im ripping him (specifically) a new one?

I didnt swear, call him, or anyone for that matter any names, nothing. What is it with the sudden sensitivity?

I know what Luthier said etc. Still doesn't mean what i said doesn't apply. It does. I commented (o gosh, amongst other things) on this, something HE wrote in his orginal post btw, new notion that criticism, however put forward, is valid , and thinking something is ok, or the horror, even very good, is not. Etc. etc.

Exactly where do i tell HIM to sod of or thinking his opinion sucks, or whatever u and he seem to think i did, somehow?

[Jatta Raso]

Originally Posted by Baron

I didnt swear, call him, or anyone for that matter any names, nothing. What is it with the sudden sensitivity?
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Exactly where do i tell HIM to sod of or thinking his opinion sucks, or whatever u and he seem to think i did, somehow?

well isn't this folk the one who just recommended "reading in between the lines" ? maybe he should take he's own advice on he's own posts. not all contempt is explicit, but when it's there, it's there

[Baron]

U really are picking a fight aint you.

[Jatta Raso]

wanna settle it at sunset? seriously no i'm not.. and even if i were then we both would have a share in it.. anyway i had a break this afternoon. i'm thinking to myself "what the heck am i doing here instead online with CoD?" well this turned out to be funnier.. that's the reason we're saying what we're saying. anyway i am in no way convinced you're bad ppl. this is really getting beyond reason. time to get outside for a while.. sun has come up

[philip.ed]

Baron, your whole post seemed as though it was aggressively aimed towards Jatta, and you did go off at a tangent from what he was suggesting. I wasn't sensitive to what you wrote; I just didn't agree with the comment about how you were happy that the terrain was there (effectively what you were suggesting) and that it was rather unnecessary to be critical of it (again, I'm sorry if there is a misunderstanding on this issue). I have already said why I disagreed with this view above, so I won't regurgitate it again. Just remember though, it is extremely easy to misunderstand people on the internet, and that may be the case here. I wasn't trying to be aggressive towards you in particular, so I'm sorry if it appeared to be this way.

[Baron]

Originally Posted by philip.ed

Baron, your whole post seemed as though it was aggressively aimed towards Jatta, and you did go off at a tangent from what he was suggesting. I wasn't sensitive to what you wrote; I just didn't agree with the comment about how you were happy that the terrain was there (effectively what you were suggesting) and that it was rather unnecessary to be critical of it (again, I'm sorry if there is a misunderstanding on this issue). I have already said why I disagreed with this view above, so I won't regurgitate it again. Just remember though, it is extremely easy to misunderstand people on the internet, and that may be the case here. I wasn't trying to be aggressive towards you in particular, so I'm sorry if it appeared to be this way.

NP.

Wasnt trying to be aggressive at all, anyone can think what ever they like, just as anyone can disagree and as far as how the terrain looks now, of course i wont scream bloody murder if they would change it. I just feel there are a few much more important things that needs fixing first.

How the terrain looks is an est-ethic argument and i think most would agree that it has a fairly "low" priority at the moment and bringing it up all the time wont make it happen any faster.

Lumping est-ethic issues with actual bugs and playability issues only makes everything look worse than it is for no reason or gain for anyone. (just promotes a lot of bickering)

Imo there's a time and place for everything. The terrain issue isn't going anywhere, it will still be there when the "real" bugs is fixed.