Even I am going negative now.

Originally Posted by carguy_

Yeah, you turned negative. Now what? Are you going to keep coming back with a "Luthier sucks" thread once in a while like the rest of the idiots?
Or maybe you have a LIFE outside the pc? Huh? You really think this helps ANYONE?
I gotta say - some of you guys are beyond pathethic. So much negativity over this game? Realy worth it? Really sad people.

stop now u hypnotised die hard fan, Im sick of you whining like a little boy, about valid complaints and performance reports from ppl who have experience in testing software, hardware and beta testing!

[Bewolf]

Originally Posted by jimbop

Missing sound was not a problem initially but was introduced by a patch.

One more reason to give the devs some time to come up with working solutions instead of relaeasing one rushed patch after another to please an (argueable rightfully) impatient community.

The Sim has already seen great improvement since it's release and given IL2s Legacy, i have few doubts we will see further improvements. Despite it's shortcomings CoD already is a couple leagues above IL2 when it comes to pure flying immersion. This means the core, the very essence of this game, is right and I find myself sucked back into flying despite all the Sims shortcomings. The original IL2 is no alternative anymore with a percieved stone age FM.

Personal venting over problems that have been complained about ad infinitum does nothing to help here and just drags down others, too, for no gain whatsoever. (though it should be mentioned that ppl only complain when they are emotionally attached, which in return actually speaks for this Sim)

I could put up with all the problems this game as to offer, but what I don't accept is the blasé attitude of the Dev's, they have not even acknowledged let alone thank Insuber or Furbs for their bug reporting efforts, they appear to not even read these forums and if they are doing so they are missing a very clear message 'COMMUNICATE WITH US'.

We purchased your game that is very badly broken, we are trying to help you fix it but your silence is driving people away in droves, is this what you want Luthier?


Oh and Carguy we are all happy that you love this broken game, but we have far higher standards than you obviously, I can only imagine that you are new to simulations/gaming and you simply didn't know what to expect, but for us online squadron veterans we prefer to fly with sound.

[Rattlehead]

The size of the team dictates that the game won't be what it was supposed to be for quite a while. I don't really think it's realistic to expect the 'full' version anytime soon.

I understand the frustrations many are feeling. I play offline, but there are several issues with the game in offline mode that for me I can't accept until those issues are fixed. So I wait.
I've shelved it for now, but in time I will certainly be back to playing the sim again. Valid criticism is fine, and the OP's criticism is definitely valid, but the game is still not going to be fixed any more quickly.

At least Luthier and co. have stuck around and have been plugging away at updates from day one since release. What's happened has happened and we can play the blame game all day long, but as long as the devs are still supporting this sim, I will support them and the game.
After all, we're so spoilt for choice in this genre, yes?

Let's not bash each other over the heads, guys. We all want the same thing in the end.

[Bewolf]

Originally Posted by Tree_UK

I could put up with all the problems this game as to offer, but what I don't accept is the blasé attitude of the Dev's, they have not even acknowledged let alone thank Insuber or Furbs for their bug reporting efforts, they appear to not even read these forums and if they are doing so they are missing a very clear message 'COMMUNICATE WITH US'.

We purchased your game that is very badly broken, we are trying to help you fix it but your silence is driving people away in droves, is this what you want Luthier?


Oh and Carguy we are all happy that you love this broken game, but we have far higher standards than you obviously, I can only imagine that you are new to simulations/gaming and you simply didn't know what to expect, but for us online squadron veterans we prefer to fly with sound.

Usually I do not share's carguys hostility, but this is one of those posts that makes me understand why he gets riled up.

You prefer to fly with sound? Who would have thought.
If you were an old timer IL2 vet like you claimed you would know that Maddox games cares for their customers and releases patches and free planes, maps and other ugrades years after intial release. Instead on this forum these very same guys get flamed for not talking enough. Seriously, if I were Luther I'd say, XXXX, eventually. I can more then imagine that team has enough stress already. This is a rather small group of devs and they try hard to please a very, very demanding community. If they merely wanted to make money they would have never gone into the Sim business in the first place.

I should mention, after ten years of IL2 I am an avid fanboy and more then willing to give the devs the credit and trust they deserve after those years, especially if you compare their conduct to other game developers.

Originally Posted by Bewolf

Usually I do not share's carguys hostility, but this is one of those posts that makes me understand why he gets riled up.

You prefer to fly with sound? Who would have thought.
If you were an old timer IL2 vet like you claimed you would know that Maddox games cares for their customers and releases patches and free planes, maps and other ugrades years after intial release. Instead on this forum these very same guys get flamed for not talking enough. Seriously, if I were Luther I'd say, XXXX, eventually. I can more then imagine that team has enough stress already. This is a rather small group of devs and they try hard to please a very, very demanding community. If they merely wanted to make money they would have never gone into the Sim business in the first place.

I should mention, after ten years of IL2 I am an avid fanboy and more then willing to give the devs the credit and trust they deserve after those years, especially if you compare their conduct to other game developers.

Oleg is no more...in CLOD dev...and most of the guys from original il2 team, face it...thats the reason we have this circus. Im jusy sorry i fell for their advertising and with Oleg popping out from time to time like he is in the team...for real

[jimbop]

There is no justification for not communicating more with the community. At the very least the bug threads should be commented to encourage quality feedback rather than rants.

[JG52Krupi]

Guys it will be fixed...

Stop repeatedly whining about the same old bugs and then get annoyed when you don't get a clap on the back.

You guys are not helping anyone but yourselves and you have vented more than enough, yes they should be communicating more but it's not like we don't know anything, luthiers roadmap is still valid.

I know that some of you guys are quite old and from the posts I have seen here I would say that your a perfect example of how age doesn't always bring wisdom in fact I would say it's the opposite for you guys. Yes you have a point but your not exactly wise, patient or helpful your just a bunch of whiners... Just take a breath and act your age...

Originally Posted by Bewolf

Usually I do not share's carguys hostility, but this is one of those posts that makes me understand why he gets riled up.

You prefer to fly with sound? Who would have thought.
If you were an old timer IL2 vet like you claimed you would know that Maddox games cares for their customers and releases patches and free planes, maps and other ugrades years after intial release. Instead on this forum these very same guys get flamed for not talking enough. Seriously, if I were Luther I'd say, XXXX, eventually. I can more then imagine that team has enough stress already. This is a rather small group of devs and they try hard to please a very, very demanding community. If they merely wanted to make money they would have never gone into the Sim business in the first place.

I should mention, after ten years of IL2 I am an avid fanboy and more then willing to give the devs the credit and trust they deserve after those years, especially if you compare their conduct to other game developers.

The stress the 'Team' are under is self inflicted, nothing to do with any of the paying customers. Regarding making money are you seriously suggesting that the IL2 series never made any money? OM games 'used' to support their customers this is correct, whether this will continue now he as departed from all things 'IL2' related remains to be seen. The fact that he has never posted here or anywhere else since the release of CLOD suggests that he has washed his hands entirely of the fans/the project.

[150GCT_Veltro]

Originally Posted by JG52Krupi

Guys it will be fixed...

Stop repeatedly whining about the same old bugs and then get annoyed when you don't get a clap on the back.

Yes but what about the landscape? This is a "tam, tam" ok but actually nobody from MG hase give us some feedback about this disappointing.
Without the feeling to fly over England, we'll never have a good Battle of Britain sim, a classic theater where the immersion is one of the most important element, if not the most important. With this horrible landscape, we'll never have this feeling.

I'm sure they'll fix the sim all around because now is nothing, but there is also the Enlgand to be fixed, and Luthier seems to be more than satisfied with his landscape.

I'm afraid that BoB is gone, and actually the new sim (the real one) is the Eastern Front.