Head Tracking with Cliffs of Dover

[adonys]

no one will use the same serial spanning across different iterations of the same product. is more probable that the serial is reset with each new version (see Thrustmaster's Warthog for example).

and even so, at 30k (which should actually be almost 40k), doesn't change the 50% profit.

and even more, no matter the calculations we are doing in here, the product is WAY overpriced for a camera hardware category.

would you pay double for a fork just because the business producing it can't be productive enough to make it at the normal price it should?

I see lots of webcams sold all around the net or store sellers, at prices starting with 10 euro. from there, to 150 euro it is a looooooong way, way too long for my tastes.

[robtek]

Originally Posted by adonys

.....and even more, no matter the calculations we are doing in here, the product is WAY overpriced for a camera hardware category.

would you pay double for a fork just because the business producing it can't be productive enough to make it at the normal price it should?

I see lots of webcams sold all around the net or store sellers, at prices starting with 10 euro. from there, to 150 euro it is a looooooong way, way too long for my tastes.

adonys, 150 IS the NORMAL price for a complete plug'n play headtracking solution!

You are comparing a Buggy-Kit complete, ready to assemble, based on a VW Beetle (the original) with a brand-new Mercedes 280SE fresh from the factory.

[adonys]

Maybe in your world, not in mine. But what do I know?

I've put above a lot of reasoning, but you seem to not understand or ignore it. The simple fact that M$, which is by definitiona the mother of all greedy corporations, asks only 150 for a device which is far ahead in everything (hardware, software, characteristics, capabilities, utility and usage) compared with TrackIR should make you wonder.. but no, you seem to be obsure to common sense and reasoning.

I guess, after all, that's the reason we still have to live with overpriced devices.. because of attitudes like yours..

[robtek]

Maybe, but my impression is that we have to live with illegal or at least moral despicable behaviour because of people with a attitude like you.

btw, can you tell me the price of a ready to use head-tracking-solution thats NOT coming from your imagination?

[brando]

Originally Posted by adonys

Maybe in your world, not in mine. But what do I know?

I've put above a lot of reasoning, but you seem to not understand or ignore it. The simple fact that M$, which is by definitiona the mother of all greedy corporations, asks only 150 for a device which is far ahead in everything (hardware, software, characteristics, capabilities, utility and usage) compared with TrackIR should make you wonder.. but no, you seem to be obsure to common sense and reasoning.

I guess, after all, that's the reason we still have to live with overpriced devices.. because of attitudes like yours..

You don't seem to understand the difference between a massive worldwide corporation with a huge mass market and a company that makes head-trackers for a far far smaller market, and their respective purchasing abilities.
I wouldn't be surprised to discover that M$ makes a higher net profit on their devices just because of their buying power, and the kudos that being a supplier to M$ brings. Put it this way: if you were CEO of a chip-making firm and you went to a bank to raise some capital, which contract would you rather have in your back pocket; one from a firm called Naturalpoint or one from the corporation called Microsoft?
I see people running off figures like tens of thousands - big deal. M$ aren't even going to think about it unless the market is in the millions.
As for the idea that making 50% profit on an item is overpricing - what planet are you living on? Take a look around you, at your electronic devices, your furniture, even the clothes you are wearing. Don't you know that 50% is the basic mark-up for all retail items sold? Get real...

[swiss]

Originally Posted by brando

Take a look around you, at your electronic devices, your furniture, even the clothes you are wearing. Don't you know that 50% is the basic mark-up for all retail items sold? Get real...

Clothes is a good point.

The most expensive, super high quality T-shirt on planet, is $2(!) wholesale, yet it is unlikely you'll ever find this quality in store.
Standard quality for western countries is ~$1.

Percentage:
We had items in the shop with a net profit of 90%.
That's not cost times 1.9, but cost times 10. Plus tax and CC commission.
WTF?!
We must be billionaires!
Really?
It's a cycle tube, cost is 85cent landed, retails for $10.
For those $9 you have to ship from the warehouse to the store, unpack and put in the shelve, answer stupid questions(is it the right size?), it enter into the system and cash it. Sure, there is still some profit left, no problem.

But:
We only sold 2k pcs of them per anno, so it's still only 20k which is more like peanuts. We could have sold them for $20 and would still sell 1800.
On the other hand if we sold them for $5 we could possibly increase sales to 2.5 units.
Do the math.


Another example?
You can sell one lot(50pcs) of $2000 bikes, ready to use/warranty/1st service incl. with a margin of 25%, or even less, as you get $500 a pop.
You CAN NOT do the same wit a $500 bicycle.
Assembly and service cost stay the same.
And in this example we don't even have R&D...

[LoBiSoMeM]

Originally Posted by robtek

adonys, 150 IS the NORMAL price for a complete plug'n play headtracking solution!

Funniest post ever!

If you built the "I'm not a complet idiot and can buy a PS3eye/Wiimote, plug it in a PC, and sold some IR leds in some kind of suport and fix it in one headset", the NORMAL price will be less than $50... And with 100-120FPS...

This topic can't be taken serious with this kind of "defenders" of NP hardware...

[swiss]

Originally Posted by LoBiSoMeM

Funniest post ever!

If you built the "I'm not a complet idiot and can buy a PS3eye/Wiimote, plug it in a PC, and sold some IR leds in some kind of suport and fix it in one headset", the NORMAL price will be less than $50... And with 100-120FPS...

This topic can't be taken serious with this kind of "defenders" of NP hardware...

You could as well say:

"if you're not a complete idiot, you can just download your favorite OS, run the hack and save $300".

Feel free to replace OS with: mp3, movie or any software of you choice.

[Wolf_Rider]

Adonys... Euro?? you forgot shipping and taxes

[LoBiSoMeM]

Originally Posted by swiss

You could as well say:

"if you're not a complete idiot, you can just download your favorite OS, run the hack and save $300".

Feel free to replace OS with: mp3, movie or any software of you choice.

Still with this crap of "hack"?

Pathetic.

By the way, Bill Gates don't bother if a lot of "poor" individual users "hack" his OS... It's the funniest thing too!!!

Keeep saying "HACK"! It's funny!