Friday 2011-01-28 Dev. update and Discussion

[The Kraken]

Originally Posted by Cobra8472

Isn't that the whole point?
To immerse ourselves, suspension of disbelief, etc.
Cinematic effects help with this, simple as that.

The problem is that immersion is completely subjective, and what works for one person can be a deal breaker for someone else. And that's where things get complicated.

For example, here are some opinions that I personally don't agree with:

- Il2 lacked "soul" and thus immersion
- dynamic campaigns are more immersive
- all WW2 sims should have EAW-style menus for increased immersion
- plane skins should have lots of weathering
- tracers should show a zig-zag pattern like in gun cam footage
- multiplayer is more immersive

[Xilon_x]

DEAR OLEG MADDOX I REQUEST FOR CoD one expecial option for mission builder.
include traces of planes are not drawn on the map using the mouse, but .....

tracks recorded on a flight that is not realistic in the game in the map.

example: I fly from the coast to the island track is recorded and entered in the mission builder can also shoot in the air but still the track is recorded and included in the mission builder.

ie instead of using the mouse manually insert a track I use a piece of tracks recorded in the mission builder.

I used google translator to translate Mr. Oleg Maddox now I am writing in Italian and you try to translate myself.



Signor Oleg MADDOX richiedo una speciale opzione nel mission builder.
Precisamente richiedo di avere un opzione che inserisce anche le tracce registrate in tempo reale di volo oltre che le tracce inserite manualmente tramite il mouse nel mission builder.
ESEMPIO:
1)TRACCIA registrata in tempo reale : io effetuo un volo dalla costa all'isola posso sparare nel vuoto posso schiantarmi o posso atterrare il tutto viene registrato e inserito nel mission builder.
2)TRACCIA inserita manulmente con il mouse con dati di velocita' armamento carburante altitudine e vettore.

[Heliocon]

Problem here is you two are arguing over what immersion is when you have two different opinions as it applies to COD.
Immersion as a emotional response that draws you into the enviroment/battle and makes it feel engrossing + incredible.
VS
Immersion that draws you into the game with the feeling off: so now I know how these pilots felt when they looked down and saw the landscape below. This is as close as I can get to flying a spitfire without actually physically flying one...

Two different definitions and I would argue "genres".

Also the CRT monitor comment is probably right, I noticed RT (russia today) did a segment on COD awhile back, dont know if other saw it or when it was from. Anyway the whole team were using what looked like 19/17 inch CRT monitors...

Originally Posted by Heliocon

Problem here is you two are arguing over what immersion is when you have two different opinions as it applies to COD.
Immersion as a emotional response that draws you into the enviroment/battle and makes it feel engrossing + incredible.
VS
Immersion that draws you into the game with the feeling off: so now I know how these pilots felt when they looked down and saw the landscape below. This is as close as I can get to flying a spitfire without actually physically flying one...

Two different definitions and I would argue "genres".

Exactly!

Immersion is something that is different for every individual. The way Oleg is doing it allows for the easiest path to customizing it for the individual since he is trying to accomplish "real world accuracy" instead of "cinema accuracy" like WOP.

[winny]

Firstly I'm not doing this as a 'I think it should be this way' thing.

It's purley to illustrate a point.

All I've done to the bottom pic is increase the contrast.



My point is that all of the CoD screenshots have felt slightly 'lightweight'. The reason for this is that they contain very little true black, and the eye sees a lot of black in shadows in RL.
The effect you end up with is a slightly super-real look where you can see details in shadows that you wouldn't be able to in RL.

[SQB]

Originally Posted by winny

Firstly I'm not doing this as a 'I think it should be this way' thing.

It's purely to illustrate a point.

All I've done to the bottom pic is increase the contrast.


My point is that all of the CoD screenshots have felt slightly 'lightweight'. The reason for this is that they contain very little true black, and the eye sees a lot of black in shadows in RL.
The effect you end up with is a slightly super-real look where you can see details in shadows that you wouldn't be able to in RL.

This man speaks the truth, the contrast was slightly overdone (giving a bit of oversaturation to the cockpit) but by god, the shadows, the FIELDS! it looks AMAZING!

[rollnloop]

What about a "XBOX colors" settings option for those who like oversaturation ?

[Freycinet]

Originally Posted by winny

Firstly I'm not doing this as a 'I think it should be this way' thing.

It's purley to illustrate a point.

All I've done to the bottom pic is increase the contrast.



My point is that all of the CoD screenshots have felt slightly 'lightweight'. The reason for this is that they contain very little true black, and the eye sees a lot of black in shadows in RL.
The effect you end up with is a slightly super-real look where you can see details in shadows that you wouldn't be able to in RL.

That effect is in Rise of Flight and is called HDR (High Dynamic Range). It is applied in your game graphics options. It will surely be in CoD too.

[Necrobaron]

If it is, I would be satisfied. The bottom pic on this monitor looks more correct (albeit not perfect) to my eye. It's a little overdone/oversaturated, but it doesn't look washed out like the top pic.

Originally Posted by Freycinet

That effect is in Rise of Flight and is called HDR (High Dynamic Range). It is applied in your game graphics options. It will surely be in CoD too.

I think Oleg mentioned that HDR will not be in the game since it is too "heavy handed/overdone" and not realistic. I'm paraphrasing here.