I Want my 4.09 Spit FM's back.........

[CIA_KC]

Hi all, new to the forum but not to the sim. Thought I'd chime in on this. There were many changes in 4.1, many I do not like but I'm dealing with them.
I fly both red and blue, predominately on WC or Sv109 and due to the new damage model on fw I have changed to flying the 109 almost exclusively. I always felt that the spitty had been way too good at e retention prior to 4.1 and we always "killed the spitty first" Some of the things I have noticed is that many of the regs that fly the spitty seem to stall much more often than they used to and probably does get really frustrating. Now to qualify my statements I DO NOT fly the spitty often and can't say what has changed by flying them, but I AM qualified to see that while fighting experienced spitty drivers that they seem to be having much more difficulty. From my pov only it seems that the planes are much more evenly matched and for that I am happy. As to the person who said that the 109 doesn't stall nearly as fast as the spitty, it's due to the complete concrete elevator that the 109 has (not really and advantage )
I will continue to fly this game as I love it!!! reguardless of how much the new FM or DM has changed. Haven't we figured it out yet that noone is ever going to be totally happy LOL. We all can remember all the spitty drivers in the previous patches calling us luftwhiners. Nowadays I do fly more blue than red, but that's because I always join the outnumbered team, and with 4.1 that is almost always blue, usually due to everyones love affair with the new 51 FM, but that's another post entirely.
~S~ all see u in the air!
CIA_KC
Jeff Mc.

[Fenrir]

Guys, can i make a request that we stop attacking people and making synde remarks regarding pilot skill just because of the plane someone chooses to fly?

It's snobbery of the highest and most disgusting order, and no-one should be maligned in this community for choosing to fly their favourite plane.

Do I malign 190 pilots for choosing a plane with awesome firepower? No.

Do I insult 109 pilots for having a plane with excellent lateral stability at the stall? No.

Do I attack either for their ability to outrun (with a couple of exceptions) the equivalent Spitfire Mk of that theatre/year? No.

Yes, the Spitfire is one of the easier planes to fly and fight - which is historically and prototypically correct btw; a vast majority of former WW2 pilots and modern day operators will attest to that- but having flown the equivalent various Mks of 109 and 190 myself, against Spits, these planes have their advantages, tho small I warrant you, and a good pilot will use them to his advantage.

I suspect too many of you Luft-fans are wandering into fights co-alt or below -I avoid them even in the spit - and you fight on it's terms. No wonder you get pwned so often.

If you have a problem with FMs then fine, but leave us the operators out of it - we don't design the flight models, we like you are just trying to get them to a stage where it reflects what we read and can find documented.

It's funny btw, that no Spit pilot here has complained about the percieved e-retention change; we just want an aircraft that doesn't constantly roll right throughout the majority of it's fighting speed range. It's all the Lufties who have jumped on there particular agenda yelling about that. Funny, eh?


And for those who didn't see it earlier, here's some documented fact by a spitfire pilot who flew Mks I - XIX:

Me, earlier:

Real spit pilots used to have their ailerons manually trimmed by their 'chiefy' - in the earlier spits with fabric ailerons a piece of cord was doped onto the trailing edge of the aileron on the wing that was dropping too much, thereby causing that aileron to droop slightly and thus lift the wing. How much depended on the length (and therefore weight) of the cord. A system of trial and error was used to get the balance about right.

With the metal ailerons, this was considered a bit old fashioned, and instead the 'chiefy' would give the offending aileron a few hearty wallops with a hide-faced hammer to bend it. If that didn't work, they'd swap round ailerons till they found a pair that gave the pilot the best compromise in the speed range he was happiest. - paraphrasing Tom Neil, Spitfire: From The Cockpit ISBN 0-7110-1918-5

So theoretically I should be able to CHOOSE the aileron neutral trim point of my spitfire.

[klem]

Originally Posted by Fenrir

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So theoretically I should be able to CHOOSE the aileron neutral trim point of my spitfire.

Now THAT's realistic! Ask your chiefy.

Hope Oleg thought of that for the COD War.

Anyway some of the 'finer FM points' arguments are probably wasted on us average pilots.

[Azimech]

Originally Posted by Fenrir

So theoretically I should be able to CHOOSE the aileron neutral trim point of my spitfire.

So, make that request here: http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=18260

[BadAim]

I'm sorry boys, but this argument is getting a bit silly. I ran into my longtime nemesis the other night, him in a Spit V, me in a 109F. The outcome was exactly the same as it usually is, we both limped back home after a 20 min dogfight smoking and nursing damaged aircraft but still alive. I'm just not sure what, on balance has changed. (outside of the trim thing, and perhaps some adjustment of flying style). BTW, the other outcome is usually that I make a mistake first and he as the better pilot exploits it and gives me an overdose of Hispano.

All of the bitching and moaning (on all sides ) is just getting to be too much.

Edit: After reading the last couple of pages, this thread has turned a bit (just a bit) more sensible. Just wanted to say that.

[fruitbat]

Originally Posted by BadAim

I'm sorry boys, but this argument is getting a bit silly. I ran into my longtime nemesis the other night, him in a Spit V, me in a 109F. The outcome was exactly the same as it usually is, we both limped back home after a 20 min dogfight smoking and nursing damaged aircraft but still alive. I'm just not sure what, on balance has changed. (outside of the trim thing, and perhaps some adjustment of flying style). BTW, the other outcome is usually that I make a mistake first and he as the better pilot exploits it and gives me an overdose of Hispano.

All of the bitching and moaning (on all sides ) is just getting to be too much.

Edit: After reading the last couple of pages, this thread has turned a bit (just a bit) more sensible. Just wanted to say that.

lol, i remember that fight and arthur saved your butt twice, before you met Mr P