Oleg shared some REAL NEWS today

[ElAurens]

Thank you for the compliment on my flying Gunny. Never thought I was much above average, with an all too rare moment of brilliance.

I am eagerly looking forward to SoW, don't get me wrong. And you know I will spend most of my time online. And I've started rounding up the Pigs and we have been flying some amongst ourselves, with a few guests, to get back in shape.

My comments are based on what the "blue" flyers I know are telling me.

In essence don't expect historical outcomes because everyone will be flying with our long years of sim experience under our belts. I realize we cannot "dumb down" just to fit the historical time period. But just looking at the two main players, Bf109E and Spit Mk. I or II, the 109 is really holding all the cards. It's faster, it probably turns as well or better, it is superior in the dive, and it has far better guns. The only bug in the ointment for the Luftwaffe will be the one historical parameter that cannot be changed owing to the full scale map... Range/endurance. No matter what the 109s will not have much time to do their work, this is the one ace in the hole that the RAF has.

It will be interesting to see how it plays out online.

Hope to see you in the sky over the Channel, Gunny!

[ATAG_Bliss]

Hi Gunny! Thanks for the kind words

As far as bandwidth, ROF is a true hog of it. 30 players in the server is a constant 10mbps UPLOAD speed (ouch!) I checked it with 60 players on and the server was pumping out 30mbps UPLOAD speed. It comes out to around 800 Gig/month of bandwidth (99% of it being upload speed) since the server has become popular. Thankfully the server has a 500mpbs upload/download speed.

But don't you worry, just like our server in ROF and IL2 of old, we have some great ideas for the MP server we are going to run for SOW (full switch/historical/and very objective based)

With our beefy dedicated box, SOW should run like a sewing machine

[TUSA/TX-Gunslinger]

I will surely see you there El - and I fully intend to enjoy BOTH sides Hoping to see it "Raining Pigs" in a good way! Look forward to visiting and having fun with you on comms. Tell Bury hello for me, if you see him.

Thanks for the info Bliss. Last year I upgraded my bandwidth, since our TX beta subteam was assigned intial work in MP - and set up a small server for a while (way before 1.012 Dogfight/CTF modes). I put net montitors on to measure bandwidth exchanges between server and clients - and analyzed months worth of data like this. I've always been amazed at SYN ability to host the large number of clients that you do.

My maximum load ever was 16 - with the server delivering best performance at 12. This of course was with me as client on a second machine physically connected to my server (router) when I wanted to fly on it. My sustained upload bandwidth was only about 8 mbs.

With all that said about ROF bandwidth requirements - I have never flown any sim with less lag and warp to servers in Russia (and I'm in Austin TX).

I'm dying to see what Oleg pulls off with SOW. I'm sure we'll all be blown away.

I gave up my server ambitions because I can get everything I need at the Syndicate - and if I'm in a mood to just kill/be killed/practice shooting - I can go over to J99. The noobs have a few of their own servers with easier settings - which is a good and important niche.

Sometimes I get the urge to go check the training servers out - but I have this fear that someone will see me there and think me a pedophile

A community only needs as many qualtiy servers as it can fill. I learned this lesson in ROF.

Hope I did not derail the thread too badly.

S!

Gunny

[Triggaaar]

Originally Posted by ElAurens

But just looking at the two main players, Bf109E and Spit Mk. I or II, the 109 is really holding all the cards. It's faster, it probably turns as well or better, it is superior in the dive, and it has far better guns.

Where are you getting these 'facts' from? That's not what the pilots who flew in the BOB said.

[T}{OR]

Indeed. Didn't Galland ask for a Spitfire?

From my understanding Spitfire was a bit faster and could definitely turn tighter. The advantages of 109 had were its weapons and fuel injected engine.

[SEE]

The RAF captured a BF109 and the luftwaffe captured a 2 pitch MK1 Spit just before the BOB went into full swing. The BF109 was painted with RAF decals and was tested in mock combat against the Spits at RAF Farnborough. Meanwhile, Adolph Galland and various other German Pilots did the same with the captured Spit (which was shipped off to Germany). The final verdicts are pretty obvious. The RAF considered it had nothing to fear from the 109 and the Luftwaffe had nothing to fear from the Spits! Both sides summed up their appraisals in that the outcome depended on tactics, skill, who spotted the other first and numbers! From what I have read, the Spit that saw most service during the BOB featured a variable pitch prop unlike the one test flown by Adolph Galland.

[Triggaaar]

Originally Posted by SEE

The final verdicts are pretty obvious. The RAF considered it had nothing to fear from the 109 and the Luftwaffe had nothing to fear from the Spits! Both sides summed up their appraisals in that the outcome depended on tactics, skill, who spotted the other first and numbers!

Like you say, during BOB results were down to a lot of things other than the ability of the aircraft, like tactics, altitude and who saw who first. So it would be possible for the Spit to be worse at everything than the 109 and still get the results it did - but I've never seen a WWII account suggeting a 109 could could out-turn a Spit in 1940, and the Hurricane could turn even tighter than the Spit. I understand that the 109 dove better than the Spit, the Spit turned better, while their Speed was similar.

[swiss]

Originally Posted by Triggaaar

Like you say, during BOB results were down to a lot of things other than the ability of the aircraft, like tactics, altitude and who saw who first. So it would be possible for the Spit to be worse at everything than the 109 and still get the results it did - but I've never seen a WWII account suggeting a 109 could could out-turn a Spit in 1940, and the Hurricane could turn even tighter than the Spit. I understand that the 109 dove better than the Spit, the Spit turned better, while their Speed was similar.

Funny enough, the fw turned similar to spit(other than horizontal turns).

[AndyJWest]

Funny enough, the fw turned similar to spit(other than horizontal turns).

Funnily enough, the Fw 190 didn't take part in the BoB, so we can leave that discussion for a later date.