Units that you hate/love, but are forced to use?

[ckdamascus]

Originally Posted by BB Shockwave

So far, the only unit I had to use in pretty much all my walkthroughs from this was the Inquistor, and only early on. Since I always due no-loss walkthrough, they are a must, until you get the Resurrection spell.

I'd also add "Units I'd like to use but don't..." - due to no-loss play, a lot of otherwise usefull Level 1-2 units are instant "NO" for me, like Dragonflies or Robbers, or Devilfish, even if they seem pretty powerfull in large numbers, you just cannot avoid losses with them.

Yeah, definitely.

In my ever going trend to buck the consensus, I did use some low levels.

Ah... Elves, Bowmen, and Hunters were part of my crew (along with paladins and royal griffins, puke). The most unlikely army and somehow these other two dudes, impy, and me ended up no-lossing with it. Actually I failed to beat baal with it, because I was too lazy to keep retrying, but hey, no-lossing all the way past Ktahu with 3 archer stacks has to count for something. And every boss was taken in less than 10 rounds, it was only the resurrecting (2-3 rounds) that brought me over 10.

Turn Back Time is the usual weapon of choice if you got a weak stack. In my archer build, it was mostly paladin surround resurrecting (using turn back time to rejuice the paladin's prayer/resurrection).

But admittedly it is annoyingly tedious unless you have a deadly combo / strategy with it.

[atlatea]

Well, if you're paladin, your inquisitor can deal serious dmg, especially with inquisitor sword equiped, they easily outdamage hunter.

This seems odd, but ancient ent as a shooter does way more damage than hunter.

[ckdamascus]

Originally Posted by atlatea

Well, if you're paladin, your inquisitor can deal serious dmg, especially with inquisitor sword equiped, they easily outdamage hunter.

This seems odd, but ancient ent as a shooter does way more damage than hunter.

Precisely my point. If you go Paladin Class, you almost have to go inquistor and paladin to make use of the damage bonus. That is less flexible than a Warrior class, and a warrior class can still come close to outdamaging the Paladin class using paladins anyway.

Hunters have a pretty bad damage / leadership bonus, and require quite a few buffs to make it work and need 100% critical.

It is because they have no range penalty, so they are penalized by having a relatively bad damage ratio.

Ancient Ent surprisingly has a decent damage / leadership ratio.

If you just take them as is without buffs, the results aren't too surprising. You need to have telescopic scope to overcome the Attack/Defense Ratio gap, increase base damage to increase your Damage/Leadership ratio, and buff your criticals since the Ancient ent cannot raise criticals easily to 100%.

I tried doing a 'ranged unit' build using a Mage Class, thinking my double cast and super buffs would give me the flexibility needed, but alas, it failed in the later stages as I didn't have enough leadership.

Without the raw base damage, the buffs did not amount to enough.

Would you rather multiply 10 dollars by 2 or 20 dollars by 1.5?

[atlatea]

Err, even with telescopic sight hunter still lose to paladin class's inquisitor + inquisitor sword. Inquisitors does slightly higher dmg (not counting the dmg bonus from his bless thing). And to easily have 100% crit chance, you need to have 2 artifact slot.

Well, in my last game, i have several items that increase crit, so my inquisitor have about 80% crit chance too (the weird thing is they always crit at that rate), hunter always crit too but coz i have inq sword, hunter still lose in dmg output/turn.

Though if you have elven set + telescope (especially elven bow), hunter easily outdmg paladin's inq+inq sword, problem is i never got that bow even once since KB AP. Though elves is always my favourite race. Hunter and elf always my irreplacable team back in the KB the legend.

To my experience, inq sword always spawn, though from elven set, it's the crown that always spawn (why not the bow?), i often have 2 to 3 crowns.

[shqiponja_hayabusa]

I have the hunters with the elven set + astral bow inflicting some serious damage, especially to animals. They outdamage the normal elfs, but they get beaten in damage by my other plant units of Royal Thorns and thorn hunters making use of the plant set of thorn crown +botanic diploma. So my army looks like this:
Royal Thorn + thorn hunters + Hunters + Dryads + Paladins = enemies don't make it to the 2 round

[ckdamascus]

Originally Posted by shqiponja_hayabusa

I have the hunters with the elven set + astral bow inflicting some serious damage, especially to animals. They outdamage the normal elfs, but they get beaten in damage by my other plant units of Royal Thorns and thorn hunters making use of the plant set of thorn crown +botanic diploma. So my army looks like this:
Royal Thorn + thorn hunters + Hunters + Dryads + Paladins = enemies don't make it to the 2 round

Oh wow, that's one hell of a team.

Yeah, the thorn crown is an amazing buff

Are you playing Impossible Mode, No loss? How do you revive the plants safely? Or do you just teleport the paladins in to draw aggro?