Much needed new dll's

[13th Hsqn Protos]

Originally Posted by =PF=Coastie

I'm surprised Protos hasn't made an appearence in this thread yet, LOL!

Don't be a douche coastie
Since you rang ....

Beta testing crappy ATI drivers years ago .... doesn't make you an authority on IL2 performance. We have both been around the IL2 scene a LONG time .... same with Alpha and some others.

You need to deal ..... ATI drivers BLOW in general - and most particularly for this game specifically. Its not going to get fixed on a 10 year old game and you need to stop pretending that it will. Your credibility in the matter is tainted ..... cause you don't own and use both. Some of us in this thread do/ and do it for a living.

I don't care that you pimp one over the other .... but give accurate information. New people/less technically savvy pilots read these threads and make judgments based on the information/lack there of in them.

You can't tell people that all there problems will be solved if they just use an old atioglxx file ect ...... YOU ALSO NEED TO TELL THEM that there is a MEMORY LEAK with that file.

For new pilots or ones who just don't understand hardware:

1. ATI cards are excellent hardware based products.
2. That same product has HORRIFICALLY bad drivers.
3. The atioglxx file has an ACKNOWLEDGED MEMORY LEAK - yes it will fix texture corrupting .... but what good is that if your game will crash later during a mission ???
4. There are not going to be new dlls released for this old game.
5. Oleg has a long standing relationship with NVidia and the game runs better on those cards. Fact.
6. Game developers code directly for Intel/Nvidia .... its not up for debate. Its just a REALITY of game design.
7. Nvidia has light years better crossplatform support - should that be important to you. Think Linux/Mac.
8. Ati drivers do not allow you to set a game specific profile setup. You must download UNSUPPORTED software such as ATI traytools or other to set AA/AF for example.
9. Idiots like Flanker will tell you to start a track or other for a few seconds before you fly .... while this option will work for single player .... you will be holding your 'joystick' for online.

Ultimately what you buy will be personal preference. I have had ONLY ati cards for my whole IL2 career ..... but there comes a time when the hassle of 'adjusting' drivers ect becomes too much work.
That point came for me with the 9 series drivers. I went to the dark side NV and I love it.

Readers can make their own choices ..... but be informed before making your decisions. For myself I am on to my next Nvidia card. A EVGA 285gtx .... which will allow me to 'upgrade' for free to a Fermi when they come out later this month.

Do your own math and don't let a bunch of ATI blowhards set the agenda for you.

[=PF=Coastie]

Thank you Protos, I knew you could not resist such a thread as this.

I have NEVER stated to be any sort of expert or guru and still don't. I only like to help people and I favor helping those with similar hardware because I know it better, especially when it comes to this game. I have stated this publicly many times and here again.

I am very proud of the fact that I was one of a very small group of ATI beta testers for 2 years. That does not make me an expert, but it is something to be proud of. It's a shame the program folded, but life goes on.

I do NOT have the memory leak problem with the 9.10 atioglxx file. I play for 3+ hours every Friday and Sunday night without ever disconecting on a server with 60-80 people in it on one continuous map(the Italy-NA map). Do I doubt there could be on some peoples rigs, no. There are many, many configurations of hardware/software and settings that can trigger something like this. Heck, it could even be the map. There are several maps that are known to cause memory leaks.

Nvidia has it's own problems with drivers too that are actually burning up cards due to fans not funtioning properly. They have pulled their latest WHQL drivers from their site with a public statement saying this. There are many reports of this going back to earlier drivers also. Does this mean it happens to everyone, no.

Lastly, I have never stated that ATI WILL fix this. I have only said they are looking into it which is pretty cool for a 10 year old game and I can't really ask for more than that.

My stand with ATI/AMD is simple. I am an underdog kind of guy. I hate bullies that push others around with there big muscles and piles of money. Very simple. Is this a flawed logic on a business stand point, yeah. But it's who I am and I am sticking to it.

Love ya man, keep up the great work!

[13th Hsqn Protos]

Whats to resist ?

I was just lurking this thread .... and SUDDENLY see your invitation with my name on it.
Obviously you like me

The problem with the memory leak is documented on the ATI forums.

As you say people may or may not have issues. I had 8gb of ram and a 2gb video card so it only happened to me a few times. But it did happen.

I notice that you don't answer any of my technical points. Mostly cause you can't. Instead you focus on the 'personal' side of your argument.
Its a technical discussion so those kinds of things don't sway me.

Way to provide those facts :heart: Thanks for coming out!

[kimosabi]

I've only used ATI on this game. First the 4850x2 and now the 5870. Works brilliantly in directx but IDK about openGL. I started tweaking it for openGL but I don't have the patience for it, especially when the differences seem to be so small. Couldn't care less about profilers either, 10secs in CCC and you're good to go.

[WhiteSnake]

Proto's your full of it dude, sorry.

Point 5: game does run better on the newer ATI Cards than on nVidia and 6 is untrue, there plenty of developers optimizing there games for AMD/ATI, the reason there are much more doing so for Intel/nVidia is because those 2 companies pay money/give bonuses if a developer does so, and point 9 its not something you should have said, even if you dont agrea with something, but that exactly showed me what kind of person you are.

[Flanker35M]

S!

Firstly. Protos, you lost the last bit of credibility of any kind in my eyes. You resort to calling names, making assumptions and behaving below standards. Instead of contributing ANYTHING to this thread you just keep touting the nVidia blowhorn etc. So if you have nothing better to do than spew "facts" or call names, just stop writing.

Will answer some of your "facts" as you seem to be one of IL-2 developers if reading your answers and nVidia employee maybe?

1) Agree. ATI is good hardware.
2) IL-2 is ONLy game with issues with drivers for me so not bad drivers in my opinion. Maybe you should do some testing rather than generalize.
3) I had no more crashes or glitches than before when using 9.10 dll's in my IL-2 folder. Program ran normally so hard to say if there is a memory leak or not.
4) We have ASKED if they could be released NOT stated there will be any release of them. Failure to read text in your case.
5) Oleg also has connections to ATI, for a long time as with nVidia. He has never stated he is a fanboi of nVidia, just that IL-2 was optimized for nVidia due driver issues ages ago. You are not Oleg so stop talking in his name.
6) Proof or STFU. Enough said. Again you assume something you know nothing about.
7) Better support or not. Again set proof on the table as you so much like to state "facts".
WRONG! ATI has profiles for games, even it is for now only CrossFire setups. Catalysts have this feature included and updated profiles can be downloaded from ATI support. So you fail in this "fact" of yours.
9) So I am an idiot. Why? I can join online games via IP. Easily done AFTER I run a track to clear the blocky text, then the game works normally.

Your last sentences leaves no room for speculation of your motives and drive. I find you hilarious with all this "Mr know it all" attitude and acting as you were Oleg's right hand and nVidia CEO's golf buddy. You could maybe contribute something useful from your experiences with ATI rather than act miserably.

[13th Hsqn Protos]

Here let me 'contribute' my real world, actually build systems for a living experience.

If you want to get the most out of IL2 and SoW - buy Nvidia

[Flanker35M]

S!

Well, I repair/maintain/arm etc. military aircraft for a living. I really do not get your view of nVidia being the sole solution for gaming. Do you really think ATI would just sit and look? I doubt it. SoW will run on both card brands for sure, it is not a 10 year old code And Oleg's team for sure will test the new sim on BOTH cards to see how it works. Do you really think we will see that spinning "the way you have been shafted" logo in SoW? It was not there in IL-2 and I doubt in SoW either.

Again, I would not assume or state what Oleg and his team are going to do with SoW and graphics card support. No-one outside that team knows anything about this, so speculating is useless waste of forum space

[Qpassa]

Are ATI developing something or not to fix text corruption,I have 300€ for buy a new video card

[Wolf_Rider]

Originally Posted by =PF=Coastie

Nvidia has it's own problems with drivers too that are actually burning up cards due to fans not funtioning properly. They have pulled their latest WHQL drivers from their site with a public statement saying this. There are many reports of this going back to earlier drivers also. Does this mean it happens to everyone, no.

Lastly, I have never stated that ATI WILL fix this. I have only said they are looking into it which is pretty cool for a 10 year old game and I can't really ask for more than that.

the problem with the pullled drivers seems to be if a machine goes into hibernation... coming out of that state, the fans wouldn't fire up again.

my last experience with ATI, was the 4870x2, which was quite a good card... though the OGL part the drivers was lacking. ATI seem to have had a definite problem with OGL and it seems to be across the board with anything which runs OGL... not just il2. as of 6 months ago, the problem was still apparent.