tips on paladin on impossible/no casualties/7 days/level 30

[BB Shockwave]

Nice stats, but I'll never understand the need some people feel to finish a game in record time. No matter if I re-play a game or play it for the first time, I like to look around everywhere, find hidden details, plan ahead and collect the units I want to play with (even if in KB this means visiting continents and running away from strong armies) or just stop every now and then to enjoy the scenery.

In Armored Princess I see people plan trips to isles taking into account the amount of time travel takes, to minimize time spent playing. Where is the fun in that? Frankly for my score, I only care for "Units lost" which I plan to keep as low as possible (zero in AP so far, but being a warrior I know I can't do a no lossess game).

[loreangelicus]

Originally Posted by Razorflame

congrats smart thinking on the no army suicide

wish i had thought of that ^^

I really can't take credit for that, I just read it as well from the posts here in this forum. Tons of great advice in this forum, and you and BB Shockwave are a part of this.

Case in point, this is actually the FIRST game of KBtL that I actually completed. Suffice to say I have found GREAT advice in this forum to accomplish such a feat.

Btw, the highest score posted right now is 1,742 found in this post (at page 10 I think):

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=4864

103 quests, level 30, but this time 6 days. Interesting that he almost had no casualties (he only had 10 casualties!)... wonder what happened there... still the top score to beat though.

Originally Posted by BB Shockwave

Nice stats, but I'll never understand the need some people feel to finish a game in record time. No matter if I re-play a game or play it for the first time, I like to look around everywhere, find hidden details, plan ahead and collect the units I want to play with (even if in KB this means visiting continents and running away from strong armies) or just stop every now and then to enjoy the scenery.

In Armored Princess I see people plan trips to isles taking into account the amount of time travel takes, to minimize time spent playing. Where is the fun in that? Frankly for my score, I only care for "Units lost" which I plan to keep as low as possible (zero in AP so far, but being a warrior I know I can't do a no lossess game).

Hi BB Shockwave, I did go to every nook and cranny of the game, killed everything that I could kill, and grabbed everything that I could get my hands on. The thing is, in order for you to achieve a 7 day or less game you have to scout A LOT. Each and every time I enter a new continent or area I make a save game, then scout practically everything (enemies, items, stores and what they sold, etc.). Once scouted, I make a separate save game of the area and call it "map" (eg. Eastern Islands - map). Since this is a scouting save, this is where I take my time and enjoy the scenery. After the scouting, I study the "- map" saved game and plan my route for optimal time.

In support of this, I actually bought 8 mind runes totalling 3,600,00 gold at the dwarf king's son castle; so my gold should be like on the 6-7 million range. I actually did this since I was divorcing Feanora for Xeona, so I figured I might as well spend that ton of gold somewhere and drop it to less than 100K before the divorce.

Honestly, it is the challenge of the whole thing that drives people to do this. For this game, practically any statistic on the final record is fair game, and all the more for the final score; alas, the number of days spent to complete the game has a big weight with regards to the final score, thus the push for an optimal run.

I understand your point though. I myself chose the 7 days goal instead of 6 days since, like you, I am compelled to kill everything and get all possible loot. But looking at the hours to spare that I had, especially on the run on Demonis and the final run to killing Haas at Ellinia, in hindsight it seems very possible to do everything and still complete it in 6 days.

[iregev]

very nice
you do have amazing stats there, did you postpone taking leadership till higher levels ?
also, does anyone know how to fix the clock so it will show time ?

[Razorflame]

that should be ffixed in the patch

and skip leadership untill later levels(u need items to cope with the lack of leadership in the beginning)

[loreangelicus]

Originally Posted by iregev

very nice
you do have amazing stats there, did you postpone taking leadership till higher levels ?
also, does anyone know how to fix the clock so it will show time ?

I started taking leadership once it hit the 700+ mark. To better plan for levelling up, at the start of the game (tutorial missions, level 1), I checked out in advance what the level-ups would offer by punching in the cheat code of "levelup 29" (via the command console brought up by "shift" and "~" keys). After planning my choices (and taking note when leadership gains would be taken) I simply reloaded from my start game file and proceeded with playing the game.

From the above, I know that I would have a base of Attack:7 Defense:5 Intellect:5 Leadership 11,450 come level 30. My basic rule is to always take leadership gain over anything ONCE it reaches 700+, else prioritize picks in this order: attack-defense-intellect-leadership-mana-rage.

The early deficiency in leadership is more than made up by maxing Learning asap so you have a higher level. Remember, even early on, you will be made to choose between leadership and mana/rage, of which you should take leadership. I had two such choices, at level 6 (+300 leadership) and level 8 (+400 leadership).

I believe I did get the best stat-boosting items out there like the Dead Skull. And of course, I did make sure that the starting castle and temple sold the Gladiator Sword and Ancient Amulet respectively. The Kerus's Sword I believe is always sold by the road architect demon. And of course, don't forget to trade Fandor's(?) map to the dwarven king for the Mithril Shield (+8 defense, who cares if you can't take advantage of the -20% leadership to dwarves).

As for additional stat points gained, remember, I did go everywhere and visit every altar that there is in my game.

As for the clock bug not showing the time, I'm sorry, but I'm not familiar with this. I do have the digital copy sold by Gamer's Gate, and have patched it to version 1.7.

[iregev]

very intresting about leadership. I ususally start taking them much earlier at about ~500, I think this is what Calinda recommended but not sure. Tips vary here

[Zhuangzi]

loreangelicus, I don't understand when you are doing Kordar etc? Surely that takes a while.

[loreangelicus]

Originally Posted by Zhuangzi

loreangelicus, I don't understand when you are doing Kordar etc? Surely that takes a while.

Day 3 14:48 level 13 to Darion (no-army-suicide-trick)
Day 4 05:33 level 17 to Islands of Freedom (1.5 hours to spare)

That's approx. 14.5 hours of Kordar time there. The time management done here is really not that complicated; you simply do Ardan Peaks/Taron Mines/Underground Sea first, then if you still have spare time, try and clear out as much as you can in the easier areas.

Note that it is key here to advance the dwarven peace pact main quest, so that on your return trip to Islands of Freedom you have an extra 1,500(?) leadership for advancing the main quest, making the rest of the enemies in the said area easier.

Btw, I even had time here to pre-stock King Mark's castle and the temple with a working army since I would be returning from Islands of Freedom without an army.

Day 4 12:40 level 18 to Darion (no-army-suicide-trick)
Day 4 23:58 level 20 to Ellinia (7 hours to spare)

More Kordar time here, approx. 11 hours. As could be seen from the time to spare, I have cleared every nook and cranny of Kordar by this time (except the double battles, which is better done with a higher leadership for more XP). Also did Magic Range/Rezo/Haunted Castle/Castle Karmag here. I even completed Issarah's Whip and killed off two hard to access demon enemies (those that require moving platforms to reach) since I had tons of time to spare, and no more (manageable) enemies to kill.

The key idea to the enemy management (and resulting time management) is that if you are going back to a continent multiple times, then you can go ahead and split your time for that area. Darion and Islands of Freedom time were similarly split, although I wasn't able to split Ellinia, which is why I believe a Day 6 game while still killing everything and getting everything is doable.

[loreangelicus]

Originally Posted by iregev

very intresting about leadership. I ususally start taking them much earlier at about ~500, I think this is what Calinda recommended but not sure. Tips vary here

It depends on the class, and the target final leadership. How I evaluated it is in terms of the possible final leadership of a paladin at level 30, which I estimated at 23,000.

Each attack and defense gain affects damage by roughly 3%, which is 690 leadership worth if you take 23,000 as your base. Intellect vs leadership is again a bit subjective, depending on your spell use.

But you are right, tips vary here since the evaluation of the value of leadership is not an exact science. Just take these suggestions with a grain of salt.

[Vomaxx]

Originally Posted by BB Shockwave

Nice stats, but I'll never understand the need some people feel to finish a game in record time. No matter if I re-play a game or play it for the first time, I like to look around everywhere, find hidden details, plan ahead and collect the units I want to play with (even if in KB this means visiting continents and running away from strong armies) or just stop every now and then to enjoy the scenery.

It is nice to meet a kindred spirit on this board. Take time to smell the roses.