soviet planes and 4.1x...

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ok, i survived after this meteorite or rocket or what it was, so, party continues...

Originally Posted by panzer1b

personally i think allowing for different ammo loadouts would be great...

it's and great, and logical, and historically correct... ie just really needful in game... and later i want to write here about some my findings about real ammunition/belting of il-2, and just about these planes...

if it is actually true that many russian planes allowed for more ammo, id very much love this option to equip 340 rounds in a yak or la5, given that those planes are basically very tough to get multiple kills in, while a fw190 i can easily get 6+ kills in a single sortie if done right

well... i really understand you... for example, when i flew much time on yaks, in 2007-2009, i'm dreamed and think about "just need some bullets, around 50 and it's will be just great for these great planes", but i don't knowed what my dreams it's REALITY and in this "great" game lot of errors...

well, it's main reasons of my reaserches, i want not empty PR of OM/MG or raving fans, i want reality and normal soviet and other planes...

but you not fully understood, 340 shells in total ie 170 for each shvak it's normal, typical ammo load for la-5 and 7, in game 340-400, although i talking about 440-480 in total for las and earlier i written about real confirmed ammoloads for yaks like 32/220 for yak-9t, 135-140/220-240 for yak-1/9, 36/170 for lagg-3 IT etc...


and, in fact, i can't understand why DT not did for fw 190a-4 and 5 trommel with 100 shells, and just not corrected number of ammunition, although, if i'm not mistaken, it's not only experimental trommels or unrealistic ammoloads...

what can be easier? especially now... but we again wait these important and absolutely simple things...

or i don't know something very secret and important...

still if it was a historical option and can be added to the game without too much effort id love to have belt configuration of the number of rounds in each belt, preferably for each gun

yes, need to find only real and historical things...

and in game really need new mechanism of choice of loads and small changes of construction for planes (for example, rear bulletproof glass for p-39, new canopy for p-47d/51b, mirrors, armor of bf 109f-4 for g-2 etc etc etc), but don't forget about orders, typical ammoloads, supply and other real things ie total free it's absolutely not historically...

itd be nice to allow for overloading ammo capacity for long missions or ground attack, and then using less(standard loadout) for short range or base defense combat.

you understood rightly, were standarts, limits and details, but were and real needs or preferences of individual pilots, plus, i think "il-2" in fact semi-historical game, but we not want nonsence or something like impossible and difficult task...

just need to search real examples and thinking...

yaks are the biggest issue for me as those have only only one 20mm with barely any ammo, and a useless 12.7mm with just as few rounds. Personally i dont even touch em on limited ammo servers as its just not much fun to return home all the time with no ammo left.

yes, need practice, understanding... and feeling of power, luke...

although, in fact, yaks have strange "realistic" FM + mainly not historical ammoloads and it's main reason why on these very simple in RL planes we need to fly very correctly... i heard what in 3.04 patch or something like this yaks were very correctly in total, but i not remember these times... and, unfortunately, here we can hopes only on BOS...

LAs are better but still a few more rounds would not hurt. most other planes are imo fine as i16s and laggs have either more ammo or just enough guns to make up for the ammo shortage per gun

about lagg-3 s4, in game have 2 very serious errors like with ammunition for il-2s - all laggs with 2 shkas in RL had 650 rounds for EACH shkas (in 4.09 325 for each shkas) and s4 never not had second UBS - ie lagg-3 s4, i repeat, just "franken plane"...

well, i wrote, a long time ago, post about real performance, FM and armament of lagg-3 s4 and other laggs-3 of early series, but found very interesting info about vya-23 for these early laggs, so, post delayed...

although, maybe, just useless to write about it here, especially, with my english...


and by the way, la-7 with 2 b-20 had 130 shells for each b-20, although full capacity of boxes apparently was 150 for each box...

also just a sidenote, now i do not have any actual source but was the SHVAK so accurate as it is in game? i mean i can actually snipe a plane easily that is within 800m and flying straight, while no other weapon can actually achieve this (hispano, japanese weapons, mgff, mg151, nothing).

all or almost all guns in game very accurate, so, it's global problem of ballistics and weapons in game, and about concrete gunnery in game - mg-151-20 are laser too, just need more effort and concentration in compare with shvak, it's personally my experience from online wars...

and i can also say about reasons what, for example, mg-151-20 it's 20×82 shell and 705 mps (805 only for minengeschoss), shvak it's 20×99R and 750-790, but it's VERY simple comparison without amount of powder in cartridge, type and quality of powder, length of barrel etc...

well, it's very complex thing, but even now you can see some of reasons...

other guns like hispano, vya-23, mg-ff, personally i think what hispano and vya-23 should be a bit better then now and personaly for me not problem to shooting at 600-800 meters from tempest...

Also i believe the mg81 is a tad to accurate as its literally a minigun with no spread (which i believe is a tad weak and for some reason has very short range)

i agree, looks very accurate, about weak or not - apparently, mainly it's problem of DM of concrete soviet planes, but in total personally i can't say what mg-81 really weak and not dangerous...

about range of fire - it's very very important theme too - i remember how read how famous pilot Vorozheikin tried to shoot diving ju-88s with around 1500 meters, in game it's just unreal even on yak-9t...

ie your example with mg-81 and others like ns-37/45, vya-23, UB ie powerful guns in compare with range of fire of .50, 37 mm gun of p-39 (63 too?) looks just strange... like and visualisation of hits of HE on ground... in fact, it's my wish for next patch, but at this moment i just don't know all true about fuses for ns-37, so, that's why i don't write about it...


well, and since we're talking about shells/belts, attached several pics, where -

1 hurri IIc in UK? personally i see in belts "2 ap - 2 he"...

2 soviet "харитон" IIc, i see only one type of shells, although, maybe, it's "staging" or because of lack of AP at this moment...

3 again, hurri IIc in UK? and again one type of shells like on previous pic...


and about shells/belts for yak-9t (later about il-2 with 2 ns-37)...

continuation of this post, apparently, need new belts for yak-9t like "только бронебойные снаряды", for AT missions (and this can help with problem of blank hits of HE shells for 37/45 mm) - example -

У меня боезапас был, что-то около 30-ти бронебойных снарядов (сколько точно уже не помню), вот я их все по танкам и расстрелял.

maybe, need and "2 HE+1AP" too for attack of "soft" ground targets (if now 1he+1ap? well, 3 belt in ideal and in total), how said pilot...

in any case, it's just logical...

and if this true, need belts like "only HE" at least for first combat tests of yak-9t (f. e. new loadout for something like "yak-9t early" with 520-530 kph at sl) -

Снаряжение патронной ленты производилось по-разному. В некоторых полках половина боекомплекта снаряжалась патронами с бронебойными (без наконечника) и осколочными снарядами. После запрета снаряжать орудия бронебойными патронами со снарядами без наконечников использовали только патроны с осколочными снарядами. Других боеприпасов на складах 16-й ВА не было.