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Originally Posted by bongodriver

isn't ice simply an anglicised version of eis?

Bah, I give up ; )

Ok but even if the treaty was a humiliation did it justify war? and why exactly did the Polish get hammered on that basis?
In times of depression a massive drive toward civil engineering could work just as well as military development....there was another option.

Most certainly not.
As in regards to german polish interwar history, just some of the more important bullet points.

-Access to East Prussia (cut off from Germany after WWI). The Weimar Republic made several proposals, all rejected.
-Attempts by polish nationalists to attack Germany after WWI to gain even more land
-Mistreatment of german nationals that were left in now polish areas. (Never saw any real sources over this, though)
-Some very odd plebiscits in the Region of Krakow. The result was 60-40 in favor of staying in Germany, instead the region was just split 60-40.
-The situation around the Free City of Danzig, which was under official supervision by the league of nations, but practically under polish rule.

During the Weimar Republic days, these issues led to a lot of tensions and a gradual build up of bitterness and almost hate towards the Poles, which probably explains the treatment of Poland in WW2.

(note: "explains", not "justifies")

The Poles probably have their own side of the story, the whole topic is only very sparsley covered in Germany, I yet have to find a comprehensive and encompassing source.

In regards to engeneering, absolutely. During that time period the autobahns were built, for example. Massive infrastructure all over the country took place. Unluckily the folks in power did not deem that enough and had their own ideas.

I'm surprised you missed my point, the V2 was an innovation no? but solely for the purpouse of war, and this is a forum about a period of war.
any innovation outside of periods of conflict have not been particularily remarkeable by comparison to other nations, what I mean to say is that every developed nation have invented and innovated something it's not a capability unique to Germany but it is accepted Germany have been in the top of the list.

For von Braun it was a step towards spaceflight. He wilingly sold his soul to achieve that. Agreed to the rest of your post but one fact.

Everybody accepts the americans inveting the airplane, the british the steam engine, juust as a couiple examples. But when it comes to german inventions the debates are endless.

Yes....to a degree, it's less vulgar to brag about admirable qualities like hard work, but modesty is practically a virtue in the UK.

Nothing wrong with that. Just different.

Well during WWII thats exactly what Britain was.

I dare say that is what Britian did become eventually. It was not the case in 1939 when Germany faced the most powerful army on the continent, the French, and the British Empire at the climax of it's power.