"We like the offline AI. It's realistically dumb."

smink1701 · #1 04-13-2012, 07:47 PM

Ok...I'm thrilled with the prospect of getting this patch. THRILLED. And I am not wining or finding fault before even giving the updated game a try. But Luthier's comment on the offline AI gave me pause. I'm a 100 percent SP/offline player. When I fly a mission, get on the enemy's six and fire a burst, the plane starts to spastically waggle its wings, goes into multiple diving spins, turns upside down and recovers about 20 feet over the water. All these maneuvers are not only unrealistic but impossible. Are others seeing this? I'm wondering if something is wrong with my install. If this is the norm than I can't imagine Luthier stating that he likes the offline AI. I know this subject has been covered ad nauseam but if you're seeing what I am at least I'll know it's not just my computer.

Thanks

GraveyardJimmy · #2 04-13-2012, 07:50 PM

I think he is referring to how it acts in offline not in quick missions. In quick missions it is bugged and they dont engage. If you have a proper dogfight using AI sliders in FMB or a mission and it decides to engage it is far better.

They need to fix the AI deciding to ignore you and continue on the waypoint pathing but that is a different issue to how the AI behaves in actual fights (when it works) I think.

Tavingon · #3 04-13-2012, 07:52 PM

I'm with you... I hate how they just buzz off alot, and also how they do those 'Right said Fred' spins like on a catwalk

addman · #4 04-13-2012, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by GraveyardJimmy

I think he is referring to how it acts in offline not in quick missions. In quick missions it is bugged and they dont engage. If you have a proper dogfight using AI sliders in FMB or a mission and it decides to engage it is far better.

They need to fix the AI deciding to ignore you and continue on the waypoint pathing but that is a different issue to how the AI behaves in actual fights (when it works) I think.

Yup, that's the case. You gotta tweak the a.i the way you want it, don't use the presets. I'm gonna go ahead and refer you guys to the following very informative thread: http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.ph...ml#Post3543201
READ IT ALL

smink1701 · #5 04-13-2012, 08:10 PM

Thanks guys. I'm not that sophisticated or tech savvy so when I have 15 minutes to play CloD (which I haven’t done for the last six months), I am not online or building my own missions...just QMB "Axis Advantage" stuff. This is where I'm seeing the nutty AI.

addman · #6 04-13-2012, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by smink1701

Thanks guys. I'm not that sophisticated or tech savvy so when I have 15 minutes to play CloD (which I haven’t done for the last six months), I am not online or building my own missions...just QMB "Axis Advantage" stuff. This is where I'm seeing the nutty AI.

Sorry to hear that Smink1701 because in the quick missions the a.i are using the presets, that's why you are having a crappy experience. Think I read somewhere that you can edit the quick mission files...maybe someone else could help out with that. I create my own missions so I customize the a.i myself. It's not so difficult, try to learn the FMB basics and you can create all sorts of nice missions. Here's the link to the FMB for "dummies" guide:

http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.ph...ml#Post3423371

and here are a few snaps from a series of missions I'm building, starring the Corpo Aereo Italiano:

Seeker · #7 04-13-2012, 08:25 PM

.I get the ridiculous barrel roll rubbish as well-

kendo65 · #8 04-14-2012, 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by addman

Yup, that's the case. You gotta tweak the a.i the way you want it, don't use the presets. I'm gonna go ahead and refer you guys to the following very informative thread: http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.ph...ml#Post3543201
READ IT ALL

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Originally Posted by 5./JG27.Farber

Ive been doing quite a bit of mission making lately. Impretty sure its down to the ... button next to skill. The slider marked advanced flying is the culprit. Tone them down but dont be afraid to give them max basic flying skill.

Ive not extensively tested this but thats my experience.

Thanks Addman and JG27.Farber, I fired up the fmb last night and I can confirm that these tweaks work.

Had a lot of fun actually with 2 reworked quick missions with extra aircraft and tweaked AI. There really is a lot of variation available in AI pilot behaviour - I can see why Luthier could make that statement about them liking what is there already. (In the long-term they do need to address the issue of higher settings on the Advanced Flying slider causing the wild F16 rolls, but for now this works, and allows some of the quality underneath to come through)

It's a little infuriating though to wait for more than a year before finding a very simple answer to one of the things that was really putting me off the game. Highlights the poor (appalling?) state of documentation atm.

I would encourage anyone who is interested to check out the links and info in this thread and get familiar with the fmb. I had done a lot of my own missions in old il-2 so it was fairly easy.

Thanks again.

It's proving a good week for the game - the new nVidia beta has helped, this tweak sorts another issue and soon the patch...oh yes!

LcSummers · #9 04-14-2012, 07:55 AM

Yes smink1701, i am an offline player too and i have made the same experience when i was chasing Blenheims in my 109.

Allons! · #10 04-14-2012, 08:26 AM

Then, couldnt somebody fix the quick missions and post them to the devs to include them into the next patch? Quick missions will be very important as everybody new to the sim will first try out the quick missions and then will be disappointed.. I lost a year or so on IL2 classic uninstalling it over and over because i hated the QM and didnt know about its online possibilities..

Greetz, Allons!