Stability and Control characteristics of the Early Mark Spitfires

[Glider]

Originally Posted by Crumpp

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I never said it was complete. I counted 13 incidents only halfway thru the serial listings for the just the Mark I in Morgan and Shacklady.

There some 9 pages of this irritating tiny print. You can go through them.

Again,

The measured and defined stability and control of the early mark Spitfires is neutral to unstable at normal and aft CG.

That statement holds true for any measured results.

Unfortunately, there are only a few measured results from the United Kingdom because there was no standard in place. In otherwords, there was no ruler outside of pilot opinion.

I know it isn't complete and I appreciate the effort but all the ones you mention are not relevent to the case, so as I said, is this the best you can do.

Have you found any at all so far re spins, you will recall that you were once very keen saying that spits broke up in a spin and so far nothing to support it. In a similar manner we have nothing to support the piles of bent wings, or an unusual number of accidents, nothing at all. No mention of this as an issue in any of the hundreds of books that have been written about this aircraft and the BOB.

All we have is your spin of a known factor which pilots were warned of.

All we have is you making a worst case scenario out of something everyone was aware of and wasn't a major problem.

Edit - I should add that also have yet to prove that the level of instability admitted by one and all, is an unsafe level or even that it is unsuitable for a fighter.

[robtek]

Originally Posted by Glider

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All we have is your spin of a known factor which pilots were warned of.



All we have is you making a worst case scenario out of something everyone was aware of and wasn't a major problem.

No, all we have is a few people belitteling documented quirks of the early marks Spitfire with a energy that borders on fanatism.

The same people will probably fight with the same energy, to have all others planes quirks included in game.

Crumpps only mistake was not to start with the 109, i believe, not that this would have changed the then future Spitfire discussions, imo.

[Al Schlageter]

Originally Posted by Crumpp

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I never said it was complete. I counted 13 incidents only halfway thru the serial listings for the just the Mark I in Morgan and Shacklady.

There some 9 pages of this irritating tiny print. You can go through them.

You can use the online listing, http://www.spitfires.ukf.net/production.htm

[NZtyphoon]

Originally Posted by robtek

No, all we have is a few people belitteling documented quirks of the early marks Spitfire with a energy that borders on fanatism.

The same people will probably fight with the same energy, to have all others planes quirks included in game.

Crumpps only mistake was not to start with the 109, i believe, not that this would have changed the then future Spitfire discussions, imo.

What we have is people putting forward alternative POVs, with documentation - democracy in action, yet this is belittled as "fanaticism". I see no rules stating that people cannot debate the merits or otherwise of a case put forward in a thread.

[IvanK]

Originally Posted by Crumpp

Ivan,

This is all easily seen in the math. I would think the program accounts for a Center of Gravity.

But where is your in game data ?

[CaptainDoggles]

Originally Posted by NZtyphoon

What we have is people putting forward alternative POVs, with documentation - democracy in action, yet this is belittled as "fanaticism".

Spare us the rhetoric and emotional appeals. That's not what democracy is and you know it.

[fruitbat]

ahh, the blue smileys are catching.

[VO101_Tom]

Crumpp. I do not understand actually what you want? I understand the Spit control and stability tests. I do not understand how to realize these characteristics in the game, where the players have completely different controller (stick length, stick dimensions, turning points of the aileron and elevator)? If the old, unique stick characteristics want to apply to the most common joy forms, the "historically correction" compromised in any case. Not to mention that you can change all handling characteristics with the joy softwares.

Therefore, I vote against it. Not against of historical authenticity, but the applicability in the game.

[NZtyphoon]

Originally Posted by CaptainDoggles

Spare us the rhetoric and emotional appeals. That's not what democracy is and you know it.

Democracy

[CaptainDoggles]

Didn't watch the video, too busy watching the Mars landing. Democracy is a system of government. A bunch of people shouting at each other on a forum is not democracy.

You used that word because you thought it would be more persuasive.