No Loss thoughts?

[Hagbard]

Oh boy, I am trying the necromancer now for hours with several tactics but it seems to go nowhere...

I play Skald, lvl 5, 1k leadership, anything cleared on the island but unfortunatly I am missing 1 magic rune to get order magic... and I have only one call of nature scroll... sigh this sucks, I really wanna do this as no loss, but no clue how. dont wanna restart due to rnd factors...

I face these forces:

55 undead spiders
49 skeleton archers
34 zombies
12 ghosts
7 vampires
1 ancient vampire

what do u think is the best line up against these forces? I tried with so much... really wanna beat this, without restart

[zjazd18]

So any1 figured out spider boss fight? I have call of colosus scroll but i dont think any lvl5 unit would help me greatly, maybe trolls but then again u cant do it 1 troop. Really stuck in here, and it's mandatory to do this battle to move on.

[BB Shockwave]

Originally Posted by Loopy

For anyone interested my first game vs the necromancer faces these forces:

94 skeletons
36 skeleton archers
12 undead spiders
12 ghosts
3 vampires
1 ancient vampire

1128+504+156+960+240+180 for a total of 3168 leadership. And since the ghosts are split between multiple stacks of 3 it's a lot easier to no loss. Ghosts simply aren't high damage like skeletons or zombies are, just high physical defense. Soothsayers can tank them all day and AoE spells tear them to shreds.

Someone who is having a very hard time vs him should total up what they are fighting so we can see how much it varies. Or if someone figures out how to get the editor to work for WotN we can inspect the distribution directly.

As for the necromancer being level 10 and Ahriman being level 5, I think Ahriman is still a tougher hero. Their stats are 3/4/7 vs 1/4/10. Ahriman hits the 7 intellect breakpoint for spell damage so his spells are nearly as tough, so both are pretty much equally going to end a no-loss run as soon as Poison Skull hits something you don't want it to hit.

Ahriman has less mana, though -at least he did for me - so he runs out soon. Especially as he kept casting "Doom" and "Slow" on me. The... unpronouncable-name Necromancer has 100.

This is something that AP introduced and I frankly, hate it. That game started the trend that even the measliest pirate captain who had 1 intellect got 100 mana. That meant they could cast spells all day long, and that when you only got 25-30 mana tops at the early phase of the game. For no-loss this was a pain - I was forced to leave otherwise weak enemy heroes alone until later when I can crush them in 1 turn, because they might had Geyser and could wreak havoc despite their low intellect. Remember the Ghost in the castle on the first island, probably the first hero you encounter? He'd have been a pushover... if he did not have Summon Phoenix, and could cast it like, 4 times per battle.

[Loopy]

Originally Posted by Hagbard

Oh boy, I am trying the necromancer now for hours with several tactics but it seems to go nowhere...

I play Skald, lvl 5, 1k leadership, anything cleared on the island but unfortunatly I am missing 1 magic rune to get order magic... and I have only one call of nature scroll... sigh this sucks, I really wanna do this as no loss, but no clue how. dont wanna restart due to rnd factors...

I face these forces:

55 undead spiders
49 skeleton archers
34 zombies
12 ghosts
7 vampires
1 ancient vampire

what do u think is the best line up against these forces? I tried with so much... really wanna beat this, without restart

At least you don't have any undead skeletons bone gating around, but yikes, without heal that looks really damn hard. You'll certainly want bears because they are the only units that can heal themselves. Splitting Soothsayers into 2 or more stacks to tank more damage before one dies might be a good idea. Good luck.

[Hagbard]

Originally Posted by Loopy

At least you don't have any undead skeletons bone gating around, but yikes, without heal that looks really damn hard. You'll certainly want bears because they are the only units that can heal themselves. Splitting Soothsayers into 2 or more stacks to tank more damage before one dies might be a good idea. Good luck.

thank u, well I already had the best results so far with two stacks of soothsayers 2/1, 2 stacks bears and axe thrower... will keep tryin with this combo

[Karlos]

Originally Posted by zjazd18

So any1 figured out spider boss fight? I have call of colosus scroll but i dont think any lvl5 unit would help me greatly, maybe trolls but then again u cant do it 1 troop. Really stuck in here, and it's mandatory to do this battle to move on.

Afaik nobody was able to beat the spider no loss.

Btw I'm so glad I didn't go strictly no loss my first playthrough coz I'd have wasted countless hours and then arrived to the boss spider that, in my opinion, is impossible to beat no loss in that particular stage of game.

So that's a small warning for ppl trying to get through Ahriman or the Necromancer on no loss - no point.

[zjazd18]

Originally Posted by Karlos

Afaik nobody was able to beat the spider no loss.

Btw I'm so glad I didn't go strictly no loss my first playthrough coz I'd have wasted countless hours and then arrived to the boss spider that, in my opinion, is impossible to beat no loss in that particular stage of game.

So that's a small warning for ppl trying to get through Ahriman or the Necromancer on no loss - no point.

What im thinking of is - I got call of colosus pretty early on 2nd island after one of the main story quests, you could then feed it to the raven regalia and have it multiplied i dont know how many battles it takes to write call of colosus, but maybe u could have 4-5 when it's time for spider. 5x high hp units should make it doable. But i'm too lazy to try it out atm

[Karlos]

Originally Posted by zjazd18

What im thinking of is - I got call of colosus pretty early on 2nd island after one of the main story quests, you could then feed it to the raven regalia and have it multiplied i dont know how many battles it takes to write call of colosus, but maybe u could have 4-5 when it's time for spider. 5x high hp units should make it doable. But i'm too lazy to try it out atm

I don't think that would work either coz high hp units like jotuns are quite bad at dealing dmg. A stack of berserkers can hit for 3k dmg easily. For the same leadership you'd get 4 jotuns at most, dishing out around 600 dmg. I bet the boss would wear you down while still being in yellow.

[zjazd18]

Originally Posted by Karlos

I don't think that would work either coz high hp units like jotuns are quite bad at dealing dmg. A stack of berserkers can hit for 3k dmg easily. For the same leadership you'd get 4 jotuns at most, dishing out around 600 dmg. I bet the boss would wear you down while still being in yellow.

Lol just figured out how to do it, split trolls into groups i went with 4x1 each in one corner. It takes a long time to do tho, and requires call of colosus - dunno if i was lucky or it is standard thing coz i got it from one of the quests.

Ok so i realized i couldve had 5 trolls if i did some fights i left behind, so the final go was with 5 trolls split 2-1-1-1, no frenzy stats 16/19/11 just kept stone skin and mana spring both lvl 3 on the 2trolls that were hitting boss, rest was mostly defending all the rounds.

[zjazd18]

Ok, so i went back abit to other islands to buy all items, make sure everthing is cleared and i discovered shop that i completly missed earlier on, and guess what, it sells trolls lol. So u dont even need call of colosus to do it, in my game there were 3 still should be doable. Dunno if i'm only blind or others also missed this one: