Even I am going negative now.

[SG1_Lud]

Originally Posted by Tree_UK

I could put up with all the problems this game as to offer, but what I don't accept is the blasé attitude of the Dev's, they have not even acknowledged let alone thank Insuber or Furbs for their bug reporting efforts, they appear to not even read these forums and if they are doing so they are missing a very clear message 'COMMUNICATE WITH US'.

We purchased your game that is very badly broken, we are trying to help you fix it but your silence is driving people away in droves, is this what you want Luthier?


Oh and Carguy we are all happy that you love this broken game, but we have far higher standards than you obviously, I can only imagine that you are new to simulations/gaming and you simply didn't know what to expect, but for us online squadron veterans we prefer to fly with sound.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOkgy...e_gdata_player

Originally Posted by carguy_

Yeah, you turned negative. Now what? Are you going to keep coming back with a "Luthier sucks" thread once in a while like the rest of the idiots?
Or maybe you have a LIFE outside the pc? Huh? You really think this helps ANYONE?
I gotta say - some of you guys are beyond pathethic. So much negativity over this game? Realy worth it? Really sad people...
......I have approximately 500 online war sorties under my belt....

Its about money we paid and the principle of not being lied to you fool, so dont say we should play other games in the meantime, i paid to play this one.

I thought you had some principle being a vanilla sucker, but maybe the vibrations from the engines on all your online war sorties has scrambled your brains you hero.
LMAO do you think your gonna get a medal from 1C for being such a butt kisser? Do you really think they have more repsect for you as a customer then for Tree because he has complained? You and Tree are both $ signs nothing more.
Its the blahzay attitude of yours and many others that just incourages the gaming industry to take advantage of GOLD stauts and release stuff that isnt clearly ready.
When people pay money for a product standards have to be set. The gaming industry lacks and real standards set by the public consumer consortium.

I and MANY others in here have stated time and time again we will tollerate it with cliffs of dover for 1C's sake and the prosperity of the IL2 series IF there is DIALOG given to us the customer, from the creator, the reason why people are annoyed is because there is no consistancy in any of the dialog provided for us, and if they dont want to have to provide that dialog then they can just lie and say we are creating a community spokesman to give you updates and info on a regular basis ....Oh hang on.....

You seeing the picture yet?

@ LUD lol i was so hoping you had photoshopped a cliffs of dover case in over the rabbit

[Lixma]

[carguy_]

Originally Posted by BigPickle

Its about money and principle you fool

Oh. And you`re saying that you`re not intelligent enough to know that principles can be preserved to an extent, depending on circumstances?

Do you beat your friends into a pulp everytime they don`t give back borrowed money? Whatever the price - 30$ or 5000$?

[ZaltysZ]

I find it very funny how first videos of Russian release were met with so much flaming on this forum, that even Jason from 777 had to write explicitly that no one from or related to 777 is trying to discredit CoD. Where is that spirit now?

[adonys]

Originally Posted by BigPickle

Its about money and principle you fool

Yes, exactly, it's about principles. Which mostly can be resumed to "don't get screwed on your own money!". The difference is in the way you perceive the players, and in the choices you are making: big business trying to screw you for money (see Betheda's horse armor Pandora's Box opening DLC), and business offering a borken product because they don't have the resources of the big guys, and are struggling to actually make and offer something in return of their money.

At this point, IL2 CoD is actually a paid beta. But we knew it when we bought it, and we already saw they are continuously fixing and improving it.

I still wait for the day in which a small developer will have the boldness to say the truth: we don't have money to implement this concept you guys love, but we are selling actions to let you help us do it (paid access to closed beta, free will donations).

And I even think MG would have done something like this, haven't UBI been the publishers and dictating the rules!

[ClearDark]

Originally Posted by adonys

Yes, exactly, it's about principles. Which mostly can be resumed to "don't get screwed on your own money!". The difference is in the way you perceive the players, and in the choices you are making: big business trying to screw you for money (see Betheda's horse armor Pandora's Box opening DLC), and business offering a borken product because they don't have the resources of the big guys, and are struggling to actually make and offer something in return of their money.

At this point, IL2 CoD is actually a paid beta. But we knew it when we bought it, and we already saw they are continuously fixing and improving it.

I still wait for the day in which a small developer will have the boldness to say the truth: we don't have money to implement this concept you guys love, but we are selling actions to let you help us do it (paid access to closed beta, free will donations).

And I even think MG would have done something like this, haven't UBI been the publishers and dictating the rules!

Eagle Dynamics did it with A-10C. They sold the beta version and after a while it became the full version. This type of business model requires alot of guts and doesn't mean it can work on all game studios.

[philip.ed]

Carguy, many of these people you are whining about were completely constructive (and polite) in their criticism during the initial release period.
But lack of feedback from the dev team doesn't say much for their approach tomwards improvement. Do they have to monitor the forums? By all means, they don't! But then if you are assuming that they aren't monitoring the forums, the argument that such harsh criticism is driving them away from this community doesn't hold much water, does it? Indeed, Luthier has always adovcated that criticism of the game is better than no criticism. Here's an example. I sent Oleg pages and pages of detailed information on every type of flight-kit the RAF wore, or had access to, in the BoB. Did I get any feedback or notion of thanks? Nope. None whatsoever, apart from an e-mail asking for the same information for the Luftwaffe. Have my efforts been put to good use? Nope, despite further e-mails notifying Oleg of this. I'm not annoyed, I'm happy to be able to say that I could contribute in whatever meagre way possible, but communication in certain aspects of this sim has not always been a strong point, and even when criticism has been as constructive, detailed, and useful as mine it has still not always been taken on board. Yes, I will admit, it is extremely annoying when such critique isn't noted, which is why I find it annoying when people ask members to stop! It's not just a question that they are aware of it, it's a question that they haven't alluded to any form of awareness, and so consequently people are cotinuing to be constructively negative, in the hope that the dev-team will respond in some way, shape or form.
I'm not suggesting that they have to respond, but I find it annoying when people moan at users to stop the pressure. The pressure will only stop when the dev-team choose for it to stop. And I know I am right in saying that the majority of such 'negative-postings' are useful to the team. Many members here are experts in certain areas of the sim, and it seems silly to disregard such knowledge as well.

I will add, though, that the game does not do what it says on the tin, nor what Oleg said it would. Does this matter? As BP said, in principle, it does. Most of us were strong advocaters of the team, and I wouldn't be wrong in saying that I can't help but feel as though such 'affection' has been misplaced. Don't get me wrong, it doesn't bother me personally, but unless the team become more sociable (maybe by installing that forum manager) topics like these will only increase. And yes, I do advocate criticism over devout affection.

My point very well put phillip!
Car guy go to the shops and buy stuff because thats what advertising tells you to do, go be a drone? Because that is what you are telling me to do in effect.
Your telling me i should ignore the standards that have been set by 1C themselves just for Cliffs of Dover?
Your telling me i should accept the lies i have been told and so on and so forth and just spend my money like a good little boy and not make a fuss. Because if Imake a fuss then i am wrong.
Dude you have brainwashed yourself to accept lower standards.
You talk of "do i beat friends over money" What!?
Do you see 1C as your friends and i'm beating on them or something.
1C are not my friends, we have a business releationship, they produce, I buy. But if they say that x, x and x is in the box and I buy it and its not in there then as a consumer I'm not happy and 1C say ok well we'll keep you informed please have patience, I say of course, and i get no or very little information back then again I'm being led a merry dance!

"Oh. And you`re saying that you`re not intelligent enough to know that principles can be preserved to an extent, depending on circumstances?"
So what you really mean is i should only retain my principles if the circumstances permit?
I think you also have that the wrong way around, its the circumstance that change around the principle, a principle stands firm under fire.

If you say your going to communicate in a regular way, then thats what you do

[adonys]

Originally Posted by ClearDark

Eagle Dynamics did it with A-10C. They sold the beta version and after a while it became the full version. This type of business model requires alot of guts and doesn't mean it can work on all game studios.

this model only works for totally commited developers and community.

Originally Posted by philip.ed

Carguy, many of these people you are whining about were completely constructive (and polite) in their criticism during the initial release period.
But lack of feedback from the dev team doesn't say much for their approach tomwards improvement. Do they have to monitor the forums? By all means, they don't!

I will add, though, that the game does not do what it says on the tin, nor what Oleg said it would. Does this matter? As BP said, in principle, it does. Most of us were strong advocaters of the team, and I wouldn't be wrong in saying that I can't help but feel as though such 'affection' has been misplaced. Don't get me wrong, it doesn't bother me personally, but unless the team become more sociable (maybe by installing that forum manager) topics like these will only increase. And yes, I do advocate criticism over devout affection.

I myself always advocate criticism (factual and polite one, with the chance to improve the game if the developers are smart and actually listen) over blind fanboism (which won't lead nowhere near a better present/future product).


The fault until now with Il2 CoD is UBI pulling the plug and forcing a release without having all game's cover/advertises fulfilled into the game (thereby the real cause of the false advertising, even though we suspected and kind of knew it, from russian version release's feedback, before buying it), and MG for not constantly communicating with us.