Is this the New Winston Churchill?

[Kongo-Otto]

The question for me is, why is the UKIP so successfull in elections for the EU-Parliament and so unsuccessfull in elections for the House of Commons.
In Germany we see the EU-Parliament as an retirement home for quite unsuccessfull, recalcitrants or older Politicians. Not important enough to send someone important, so to say.
There is a say in Germany "Hast du einen Opa schick ihn nach Europa" which means "Do you have a Grandpa send him to Europes Parliament"

So in imho it would make more sense to have a stronghold in the House of commons rather then in the EU-Blatherer Shop.
What i also don't understand is this, when there is such an resentment against Germany and or the EU, why doesn't the UK leave the EU?
Nobody is forced to stay when he feels so highly uncomfortable.

And not to be misunderstood, i have nothing against beeing against the EU. I'm also against the EU, because i can't see the reason why the taxmoney of the german worker is wasted for the laziness, corruption and stupidity of other states.
I relly couldn't care less about Greece, Spain or Italy!
Their problems are homemade and there is no reason that the German worker has to eat the soup those jerks cooked!
But when you want to do something against the EU, you have to do it at your National Parliament and not in the EU-Parliament which is a toothless tiger.

Maybe i'm a bit harsh in my judgement but i'm a bavarian and i'm not really a fan of beeing part of Germany and its role in the EU to say at least.
IMHO Bavaria should gain independence again like it was until 1918 and restore monarchy and of course leave the German State immediately.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by Kongo-Otto

The question for me is, why is the UKIP so successfull in elections for the EU-Parliament and so unsuccessfull in elections for the House of Commons.
In Germany we see the EU-Parliament as an retirement home for quite unsuccessfull, recalcitrants or older Politicians. Not important enough to send someone important, so to say.
There is a say in Germany "Hast du einen Opa schick ihn nach Europa" which means "Do you have a Grandpa send him to Europes Parliament"

So in imho it would make more sense to have a stronghold in the House of commons rather then in the EU-Blatherer Shop.
What i also don't understand is this, when there is such an resentment against Germany and or the EU, why doesn't the UK leave the EU?
Nobody is forced to stay when he feels so highly uncomfortable.

And not to be misunderstood, i have nothing against beeing against the EU. I'm also against the EU, because i can't see the reason why the taxmoney of the german worker is wasted for the laziness, corruption and stupidity of other states.
I relly couldn't care less about Greece, Spain or Italy!
Their problems are homemade and there is no reason that the German worker has to eat the soup those jerks cooked!
But when you want to do something against the EU, you have to do it at your National Parliament and not in the EU-Parliament which is a toothless tiger.

Maybe i'm a bit harsh in my judgement but i'm a bavarian and i'm not really a fan of beeing part of Germany and its role in the EU to say at least.
IMHO Bavaria should gain independence again like it was until 1918 and restore monarchy and of course leave the German State immediately.

...yeah, let's go back to the 15th century, shall we?

I love Bavaria, and as much as I think it's a prolific and active part of Germany, I doubt it would benefit from independence.

If there's one country that surely benefited from the Euro, that's Germany! Your politicians tell you that your tax money is needed to fix the other countries, but the truth is that it's an easier excuse for them than having to explain what the hell they actually do with all your tax money.

Have a look at this article for example.

[arthursmedley]

Originally Posted by Kongo-Otto

The question for me is, why is the UKIP so successfull in elections for the EU-Parliament and so unsuccessfull in elections for the House of Commons.
In Germany we see the EU-Parliament as an retirement home for quite unsuccessfull, recalcitrants or older Politicians. Not important enough to send someone important, so to say.
There is a say in Germany "Hast du einen Opa schick ihn nach Europa" which means "Do you have a Grandpa send him to Europes Parliament"

So in imho it would make more sense to have a stronghold in the House of commons rather then in the EU-Blatherer Shop.
What i also don't understand is this, when there is such an resentment against Germany and or the EU, why doesn't the UK leave the EU?
Nobody is forced to stay when he feels so highly uncomfortable.

UKIP is only successful in the European parliament elections as they are the only national elections in the UK that are held under the system of proportional representation. You know that system well Kongo-Otto. It gave you Hans- Dietrich Genscher for most of the latter part of the twentieth century.

Elections to our parliament, where the real power lies, take place under the first-past-the-post system, like in the US. We tend to send our failed, unwanted and unloved politicians off to become EU commissioners.

I don't think the British people as a whole have any resentment against modern Germany or Germans. In fact I'd say we have quite a lot of respect as we're fairly aware that the EU experiment has been paid for in large part by Germany.
I'm afraid our national press is another story.
Also, our politicians have never really been honest and up front to the British people about what the EU is about. We have always been told it is merely an economic area whilst the rest of europe has accepted that it's foundations were always political as well as economic.

UKIP is the chicken of this dis-honesty coming home to roost.

[Kongo-Otto]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

...yeah, let's go back to the 15th century, shall we?

I love Bavaria, and as much as I think it's a prolific and active part of Germany, I doubt it would benefit from independence.

Well you prove that you don't have a clue what you're talking about.
So its good for the UK when they have a monarchy and of course it's a fall back to the 15th century when Bavaria should have a monarchy.
Ah ok must be some Italian kind of logics.

The only one who clearly would not benefit from an bavarian independence is Germany, maybe you should take a look who in germany has the economic power in Germany.

Stern really more and more i think you are a mere troll.

[Kongo-Otto]

Originally Posted by arthursmedley

UKIP is only successful in the European parliament elections as they are the only national elections in the UK that are held under the system of proportional representation. You know that system well Kongo-Otto. It gave you Hans- Dietrich Genscher for most of the latter part of the twentieth century.

Elections to our parliament, where the real power lies, take place under the first-past-the-post system, like in the US. We tend to send our failed, unwanted and unloved politicians off to become EU commissioners.

I don't think the British people as a whole have any resentment against modern Germany or Germans. In fact I'd say we have quite a lot of respect as we're fairly aware that the EU experiment has been paid for in large part by Germany.
I'm afraid our national press is another story.
Also, our politicians have never really been honest and up front to the British people about what the EU is about. We have always been told it is merely an economic area whilst the rest of europe has accepted that it's foundations were always political as well as economic.

UKIP is the chicken of this dis-honesty coming home to roost.

Well over here the press and many people i know think that some British politicians are against the EU because they don't want to speak up open and clearly against Germany. Some German newspapers even go so far so say that British EU resentment is always not against the EU but Anti german.

Thank you for the clarification.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by Kongo-Otto

Well you prove that you don't have a clue what you're talking about.
So its good for the UK when they have a monarchy and of course it's a fall back to the 15th century when Bavaria should have a monarchy.
Ah ok must be some Italian kind of logics.

dude, it was just a way of saying "let's go back in time", I wasn't referring to the century specifically.. and be careful about going down the race path again, cos I think we've recently seen what happens

The only one who clearly would not benefit from an bavarian independence is Germany, maybe you should take a look who in germany has the economic power in Germany.

..I'm not sure this conversation can carry on, you sound like a Bayern Partei advocate, and like many of your mates all over the world, you normally blame your issues on others.

Are you one of those that believes that because you have BMW, Audi, Siemens and Allianz based there then you're the one that works for the wealth of the whole country?

Stern really more and more i think you are a mere troll.

No, I have developed a gravitational field over the years that pulls fools

[Hood]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

No, I have developed a gravitational field over the years that pulls fools

This disproves the saying that opposites attract.

[Bewolf]

Originally Posted by Kongo-Otto

Maybe i'm a bit harsh in my judgement but i'm a bavarian and i'm not really a fan of beeing part of Germany and its role in the EU to say at least.
IMHO Bavaria should gain independence again like it was until 1918 and restore monarchy and of course leave the German State immediately.

All for Bavaria leaving. But please pay pack all that money you got over decades from NRW until the early 90ies, that money enabling Bavaria to develop from a backwater agrarian country just like Greece to modern northern european standarts. With interests.

And please start reading proper newspapers. Then again, pretty all of them these days are Bild Zeitung material, so nevermeind.

[baronWastelan]

Would Herr Otto's independent Bavaria have its own currency?

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by Hood

This disproves the saying that opposites attract.

..and here's the next one.. boy I should really have this checked, apparently the pull is irresistible..