how many cores does clod use

[TommiVH]

my old trusty 2.67@750 i5 is working just fine with this game...it can easily oc to 4 Ghz. I tried 3.7Ghz but my case needed more air to cool it (Antec Sonata III). Maybe with bigger case and couple of external fans it is easily done.... But in 3 Ghz it easily run this game, so no need to OC now...

[TommiVH]

well in Arma 2 that was not to get more fbs but getting the game work in the first place. That HT was causing fatal error to game...

[Heliocon]

Originally Posted by TommiVH

well in Arma 2 that was not to get more fbs but getting the game work in the first place. That HT was causing fatal error to game...

Really? Because i5s dont have HT, your one must be a unique and special case... nice one!

[Tiger27]

Originally Posted by Zoom2136

This is true of FPS. Flight sims suffer from a slow CPU (it really is the bottleneck in what we are concern).

So for flight sims, always buy the fastest CPU you can afford. Presently its the i7-2600K, followed closely by the i5-2500K. Remember that the newer i5 & i7 are faster clock for clock than the previous generation. See here:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...m-ii,2926.html

So get the best CPU with a good overclocking motherboard, then if you only run 1 GPU, you can live a less than 600W PSU, if you plan on running SLI/Crossfire go with a 750+ PSU.

In you case the last thing to upgrade should be the video card (GPU). Oleg's game seem to favor Nvidea. Don't know why? I prefer AMD myself. Here look here and decide.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...-590,2912.html

Have to agree with this, I know ROF got its best boost for me when IO upgraded to an I7-920, I7's and I5's seem to be the way to go with flight sims, I run both ROF and CoD on med to high with the I7 and an old 8800gt, although I will be upgrading this when I see what amount of vram is going to be needed to run CoD with high settings.

[TonyD]

Originally Posted by Heliocon

Really? Because i5s dont have HT, your one must be a unique and special case... nice one!

If I may, and before this starts another argument, I’m sure that you meant the quad-core Core i5's don’t have HT – as far as I am aware, all other i5’s (sockets 1156 & 1155) do.

To be honest, few games that I have come across benefit from HT; but in your case, using your pc for processor-intensive tasks other than gaming, I’m sure there is a performance related justification. I would never suggest using a 6-core i7 solely for the basis of a gaming rig, as the new SB chips easily match them in terms of performance, and the cost difference is huge. To quote THG from their recent test on the new i7-990X, ‘Frankly, enthusiasts and gamers need not apply.’

There may be a case for the possible longevity of such a system, but most would want to upgrade in a year or two to a more modern platform any way (PCI-ex 3.0, USB 4.0, SATA-4, and who knows what else.). And typically, in Intel’s case, this would require a new cpu and RAM, which incurs additional expense.

[W0ef]

Originally Posted by Heliocon

Before you attack me stop being an idiot and read my post. I never suggested the 2600k, or any SB i7. I specifically said using many names since you seem to be completely ignorrant, that i was refering to the Nehalem/40nm/Gen 1 quad= Intel i7 920->960 range of cpus. So stop being a moron and actually read my post, and I wont insult you aslong as you know what you are talking about.

I spent $1000 on a processor because I will be using this computer and mobo for a long time, and I do graphics design with Maya on it which is computationally intensive.

Also just because you find one thread supporting your argument that HT isnt good does not make it true. Atleast we have moved on from the stage of you bsing facts our of thin air to the stage where you try to cover up your misinformed comment with a single forum link. Because that provides hard evidence! fail.

Dont post unless you have a clue, once you do I will be polite, and if you can make a solid and cogent argument all the better.

First of all, I sincerely hope that OP listens to people like TonyD and Zoom instead of you Heliocon, maybe you should read the link Tony posted which pretty much sums it all up:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...or,2895-4.html

Or will you say Toms hardware pulls fact out of their arse too?

The way you win an argument seems to be by calling anyone who doesn´t agree with you an ignorant idiot amongst other things, which is all fine but not the most convincing way to prove your point.

Now I would have just bailed out of this useless discussion where it not for the fact you seem persistent in pushing through a choice of CPU that would not benefit OP at all for his purposes and his budget, and this pisses me off.

I have posted several links, one directly related to your claim that BF:BC2 makes effective use of 8 virtual cores (which it doesnt imo) to try and prove HT is supposedly worth it for a pure gaming rig (since that is what we ARE talking about, OP states clearly he uses his rig solely for gaming purposes). The link I posted about BF:BC2 has a guy who obviously took the time to run a more extensive test then you have done (as a matter of fact I have yet to see you post any link to an unbiased source to prove any of your claims).


If you read reviews on the best CPU to get for gaming one thing at least is for certain, you'd be a fool going with a non Sandy Bridge CPU for your build right now.

Here is one more, they even run HT tests (for our gaming rig purposes note the fps dif on Left for Dead with HT on and off):



http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum...rs-review.html

For our purposes you can skip on to the gaming test section of that review.







The guys over @ bit-tech.net said it best:

Quote:
The Sandy Bridge lineup gives us some of the easiest conclusions to write that we've ever come across: the new range of Intel CPUs renders almost every other processor redundant and pointless. Only if you need incredible performance in multi-threaded applications should you look beyond the Core i5-2500K for your next CPU.


Take in mind the 2500k is actually not more expensive than the by now almost 3 year old i7-920 (even more cheap if judging by the prices I could find).

Lets for the sake of argument see how the top of the line CPU in the line you promote fairs against much more affordable Sandy Bridge CPU.

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cpu...ition-review/6

Conclusion:

The i5-2500K is roughly as quick as, and sometimes quicker than, the i7-990X in all but the most heavily multi-threaded tasks. It's also very overclockable, and considerably cheaper. As a result, only those running professional-grade multi-thread-optimised applications should consider the i7-990X, and even then, you'd be better off buying in an i7-980X, which is nearly as fast but £50 cheaper.

I´m not here to diss anyone for having a 980X or whatever, if you need it for programs like Maya or heavy video transcoding fair enough. It is people recommending them for gaming rigs I cannot possibly understand, not to mention recommending to buy the i7 920 or 960 Nehalem now instead of a 2500k or 2600k Sandy Bridge, that is just mindboggling to be honest, even more so because of the fact both are basically end of life and he will probably have a hard time even getting his hands on one if for some reason he wanted to. Even more annoying is when all they do to prove their own point is pull some facts out of their own arse, talk about how it will own in 2 years time (in two years time I can probably buy your 980X in the budget bin tbh) and personally attack people who don´t agree with them.

If you want to go for a HT processor I would do like others here said and go for the 2600k personally. A lot more affordable and actually performs great with games as well.

Let me pull on last review out of my bum: http://www.guru3d.com/article/core-i...600k-review/23

Now one more thing, the next time you personally insult me without proving ANYTHING yourself I will report you. If you can´t have a proper discussion without resorting to lame tactics like that it only proves how you are unable to prove your point using facts instead of blabbering on. Maybe the misses believed you when you tried to explain to her why you splashed out $1000 on a single processor but I sure as hell won´t be intimidated just because you resort to calling anyone who doesn´t agree with you a moron.

Peace out.

[Heliocon]

Originally Posted by W0ef

First of all, I sincerely hope that OP listens to people like TonyD and Zoom instead of you Heliocon, maybe you should read the link Tony posted which pretty much sums it all up:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...or,2895-4.html

Or will you say Toms hardware pulls fact out of their arse too?

The way you win an argument seems to be by calling anyone who doesn´t agree with you an ignorant idiot amongst other things, which is all fine but not the most convincing way to prove your point.

Now I would have just bailed out of this useless discussion where it not for the fact you seem persistent in pushing through a choice of CPU that would not benefit OP at all for his purposes and his budget, and this pisses me off.

I have posted several links, one directly related to your claim that BF:BC2 makes effective use of 8 virtual cores (which it doesnt imo) to try and prove HT is supposedly worth it for a pure gaming rig (since that is what we ARE talking about, OP states clearly he uses his rig solely for gaming purposes). The link I posted about BF:BC2 has a guy who obviously took the time to run a more extensive test then you have done (as a matter of fact I have yet to see you post any link to an unbiased source to prove any of your claims).


If you read reviews on the best CPU to get for gaming one thing at least is for certain, you'd be a fool going with a non Sandy Bridge CPU for your build right now.

Here is one more, they even run HT tests (for our gaming rig purposes note the fps dif on Left for Dead with HT on and off):



http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum...rs-review.html

For our purposes you can skip on to the gaming test section of that review.







The guys over @ bit-tech.net said it best:

Quote:
The Sandy Bridge lineup gives us some of the easiest conclusions to write that we've ever come across: the new range of Intel CPUs renders almost every other processor redundant and pointless. Only if you need incredible performance in multi-threaded applications should you look beyond the Core i5-2500K for your next CPU.


Take in mind the 2500k is actually not more expensive than the by now almost 3 year old i7-920 (even more cheap if judging by the prices I could find).

Lets for the sake of argument see how the top of the line CPU in the line you promote fairs against much more affordable Sandy Bridge CPU.

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cpu...ition-review/6

Conclusion:

The i5-2500K is roughly as quick as, and sometimes quicker than, the i7-990X in all but the most heavily multi-threaded tasks. It's also very overclockable, and considerably cheaper. As a result, only those running professional-grade multi-thread-optimised applications should consider the i7-990X, and even then, you'd be better off buying in an i7-980X, which is nearly as fast but £50 cheaper.

I´m not here to diss anyone for having a 980X or whatever, if you need it for programs like Maya or heavy video transcoding fair enough. It is people recommending them for gaming rigs I cannot possibly understand, not to mention recommending to buy the i7 920 or 960 Nehalem now instead of a 2500k or 2600k Sandy Bridge, that is just mindboggling to be honest, even more so because of the fact both are basically end of life and he will probably have a hard time even getting his hands on one if for some reason he wanted to. Even more annoying is when all they do to prove their own point is pull some facts out of their own arse, talk about how it will own in 2 years time (in two years time I can probably buy your 980X in the budget bin tbh) and personally attack people who don´t agree with them.

If you want to go for a HT processor I would do like others here said and go for the 2600k personally. A lot more affordable and actually performs great with games as well.

Let me pull on last review out of my bum: http://www.guru3d.com/article/core-i...600k-review/23

Now one more thing, the next time you personally insult me without proving ANYTHING yourself I will report you. If you can´t have a proper discussion without resorting to lame tactics like that it only proves how you are unable to prove your point using facts instead of blabbering on. Maybe the misses believed you when you tried to explain to her why you splashed out $1000 on a single processor but I sure as hell won´t be intimidated just because you resort to calling anyone who doesn´t agree with you a moron.

Peace out.

HOLLY **** WHY DONT YOU READ? I never EVER told anyone to get a 980. I als NEVER said to get a i7 sandy bridge idiot. READ MY ACTUAL POST!

Also you only ever posted 1 forum link.

Also you never refuted my argument, in fact you dont even know what it is - because if you did you wouldnt look like an idiot, so for now on quote me moron - because a i7 980x IS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT ARCHITECTURE FROM OTHER 1ST GEN i7S! 980X IS A GULFTOWN CPU AND THE REST ARE NEHALEM. Your are incredible ignorrant, you are arguing against something I never said.

If you really want to poke fun at my processor, maybe its because I have an iq and a job that lets me spend all the $ I want on a computer? I dont know... I mean its kinda a dumb ass idea to try and descredit me because I have the best cpu on the market and therefore I am trying to validate my purchase. you fail.

-Just to make it 100% clear how thick you are go back and read the 4 CONSECUTIVE POSTS IN A ROW WHERE I SAID I WAS NOT TALKING ABOUT A SB i7 BUT ABOUT A NEHALEM i7 BECAUSE OF THE PRICE. YOU JUST PROVED MY ARGUMENT FOR ME BY SAYING HT IS WORTH IT ON MULTI TASK OPERATIONS WHICH THOSE GAMES DONT COVER - BECAUSE THE I5 DOES NOT HAVE HT! SORRY I HAVE TO TYPE IN ALL CAPS, YOU NEED SOME GLASSES BECAUSE IS SPECIFICALLY SAID GET A SB i5 OR A 40NM I7 NOT A SB I7!

[W0ef]

Originally Posted by Heliocon

HOLLY **** WHY DONT YOU READ? I never EVER told anyone to get a 980. I als NEVER said to get a i7 sandy bridge idiot. READ MY ACTUAL POST!

Also you only ever posted 1 forum link.

Also you never refuted my argument, in fact you dont even know what it is - because if you did you wouldnt look like an idiot, so for now on quote me moron - because a i7 980x IS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT ARCHITECTURE FROM OTHER 1ST GEN i7S! 980X IS A GULFTOWN CPU AND THE REST ARE NEHALEM. Your are incredible ignorrant, you are arguing against something I never said.

If you really want to poke fun at my processor, maybe its because I have an iq and a job that lets me spend all the $ I want on a computer? I dont know... I mean its kinda a dumb ass idea to try and descredit me because I have the best cpu on the market and therefore I am trying to validate my purchase. you fail.

-Just to make it 100% clear how thick you are go back and read the 4 CONSECUTIVE POSTS IN A ROW WHERE I SAID I WAS NOT TALKING ABOUT A SB i7 BUT ABOUT A NEHALEM i7 BECAUSE OF THE PRICE. YOU JUST PROVED MY ARGUMENT FOR ME BY SAYING HT IS WORTH IT - BECAUSE THE I5 DOES NOT HAVE HT! SORRY I HAVE TO TYPE IN ALL CAPS, YOU NEED SOME GLASSES.

Dude, you seriously need a mental health checkup, I'm trying to keep this post objective yet time and time again your resort to personal insults. Sad really but I refuse to bite.

I clearly mentioned the Nehalem 920 and 960, heck I can post several threads about the 950 as well if you want.

Now please at least learn to have a normal conversation, typing in caps wont make you put your point across, neither does constantly using the word idiot help stress it much.

So why don't you be a big boy for a change and come up with some proper links to reviews or unbiased tests showing how much of an impact HT has on games or how ANY of the Nehalem CPUs is prefferable over a SB 2500k or 2600k these days, or whatever it is you're trying to bring across?

You have not posted a SINGLE valid link so far, nothing.

Oh and cheers on having the best CPU in the market, you clearly have a lot of $ to throw around, grats bro, well done.

I'm not here to diss your setup, just to give the guy a proper recommendation on a gaming rig for around $1200,=

I'll happily take my 2500k and throw in say two XFIRE HD6970s or heck two GTX580s running in SLI, and hey, Ill buy me an SSD and some RAM too, for less then what your friggin processor costs.

You advicing him to get a Nehalem CPU these days with SB out is just too silly to even go into further, but I threw in ample links to point that out. You don't seem to like doing much reading though it seems. Otherwise you might have been able to get some sense.

Cheers.

P.S. About your first line. I wish you had recommended him an I7 SB at least, that would at least have reason behind it.

P.P.S. I have some funny links for you, yanno to lighten the mood a little

http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/war...tm/allcaps.htm

http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/war...tm/compost.htm

Now, lets hope Nanny comes in soon huh?

[jayrc]

please don't call people names if they don't agree with you, keep this civil please. I'm listening to everyone and will make an educated guess as to what will be best for me with my budget, keep it coming though.

[TonyD]

Hi jayrc – I thought we may have lost you long ago

As a cheaper alternative, why not consider an AMD setup? If you were to buy a new AM3+ mainboard (marked as AM3b on the socket, and black in colour) and a cheap Athlon-II X4 cpu, you would have the option of upgrading to one of the new ‘Bulldozer’ cores later if you wanted to, and the money saved could be spent on a better graphics card. This would not be as fast as a SB setup, but would still be more than adequate, with future upgrade options.

I build gaming machines as a hobby, and have built many over the years, mostly for youngsters who don’t have a lot of money to spend. My advice is always to go for a good gfx card and an adequate processor, rather than the other way round. Games don’t generally require very fast cpu’s to work properly (they wouldn’t sell many, if this was the case), but do benefit enormously from fast gfx cards, particularly if you like to turn the detail up.

This advice does depend on the cost of the components where you live; the cheapest LGA1155 Core i3 is $145 where I live (wholesale from supplier), while an Athlon-II X4 640 is $114. A Core i5 2500k is around $300. AMD maiboards are also cheaper than LGA1155,with native support for 6 SATA-3 ports.

One advantage in going for the 2500k though, is that you are unlikely to want (or need) to upgrade your cpu anytime in the near future.

Have I now confused you further?