First Red Tail review..Told ya!

[VF101-jay]

I just went to see it tonight, as I have heard many say it was not the most accurate retelling of the squadron's history or depiction of markings or even engine and gun sounds, but it was an enjoyable movie and for me the errors weren't enough to draw me out of the story. In comparison to any movie about air war that we have had in the last 15 years, I would place it as good as any if not out in front. It was better than I expected, and I plan to add it to my collection when released on DVD, remember that it is a movie and not a documentary and I think you will like this movie.

[pencon]

Just once I would like to see a WW2 Air combat movie where ze germans arent depicted as complete Idiots and totally inept and evil all at the same time. I mean if they were really that useless and never got a kill the war would have lasted 6 months not 5 years.As someone mentioned earlier , the only realistic portrayal from the german point of view was "das Boot" .I would love to see a movie that portrayed BOTH sides and even the german pilots as human beings whipping through those B 17 formations through their eyes as well . That would have made a well rounded story .

[bongodriver]

Originally Posted by pencon

Just once I would like to see a WW2 Air combat movie where ze germans arent depicted as complete Idiots and totlly inept . I mean if they were really that useless and never got a kill the war would have lasted 6 months not 5 years.As somone mentioned earlier , the only realistic portrayal from the german point of view was "das Boot" .

Strange view, as far as I can tell the Germans are always depicted as very deviously intelligent and always manage to kill someone, if they didn't it would make it hard to 'hate' them, I've never seen a film where Germans are portrayed as 'innept'......just evil.

[David Hayward]

Originally Posted by pencon

Just once I would like to see a WW2 Air combat movie where ze germans arent depicted as complete Idiots and totally inept and evil all at the same time. I mean if they were really that useless and never got a kill the war would have lasted 6 months not 5 years.As someone mentioned earlier , the only realistic portrayal from the german point of view was "das Boot" .I would love to see a movie that portrayed BOTH sides and even the german pilots as human beings whipping through those B 17 formations through their eyes as well . That would have made a well rounded story .

Do you really not understand why the Germans play the role of the bad guys in movies about WW2?

[ATAG_Snapper]

Originally Posted by David Hayward

Do you really not understand why the Germans play the role of the bad guys in movies about WW2?

That was not the point, as you hopefully must realize.

[Kupsised]

Originally Posted by pencon

Just once I would like to see a WW2 Air combat movie where ze germans arent depicted as complete Idiots and totally inept and evil all at the same time. I mean if they were really that useless and never got a kill the war would have lasted 6 months not 5 years.As someone mentioned earlier , the only realistic portrayal from the german point of view was "das Boot" .I would love to see a movie that portrayed BOTH sides and even the german pilots as human beings whipping through those B 17 formations through their eyes as well . That would have made a well rounded story .

I think the Battle of Britain does a fairly good job of that, although of course the main focus is on the RAF so there is not much of it, but the German scenes do a lot to make them more 'human' than most portrayals. For example, the scene where they are sat round the table for dinner with candles marking the missing, or the fact that you actually see the German pilots, not only outside but also inside their aircraft, and showing a lot of emotion as well. And the fact that there is more dialouge than the Commando Comic style 'Gott im himmel!' and 'Die, Schwein!'

Either way, you're right, I wish more films like Das Boot, or even games in a similar vein would be made about other things, air, land and sea, to help people realise that the German soldiers/airmen were not all Nazi's, were not all awful and at the end of the day were human beings, rather than one-dimensional, one-size-fits-all 'baddies' or just sprites for the 'goodies' to shoot at.

[David Hayward]

Originally Posted by ATAG_Snapper

That was not the point, as you hopefully must realize.

Yes, it is the point. The fact that some people still don't understand why it's the point is pretty astounding.

[pencon]

Of course I do David, but the german pilots were not nazis ,and i think it would be interesting to see the AIRWAR through their eyes as well as the allied side .Just watch A&E dogfights and youll see yet another depiction of hopeless german pilots . My point is Im sure they also got their number of allied kills . Not siding with nazis David , just looking for realism.Also it would allow for a closer view of german aircraft. So David if you fly a 109 in the sim does that make you a nazi?

[David Hayward]

Originally Posted by pencon

Of course I do David, but the german pilots were not nazis ,and i think it would be interesting to see the AIRWAR through their eyes as well as the allied side .Just watch A&E dogfights and youll see yet another depiction of hopeless german pilots . My point is Im sure they also got their number of allied kills . Not siding with nazis David , just looking for realism.Also it would allow for a closer view of german aircraft.

Whether or not they were Nazis has nothing to do with it. They were fighting on the same side as the Nazis, and they did so without any significant protest. They were on the wrong side of history, and it's going to take a long time for many people to forget that.

Originally Posted by pencon

So David if you fly a 109 in the sim does that make you a nazi?

Yeah, flying a 109 in a sim is just like helping Hitler invade most of Europe.

[Bewolf]