Head Tracking with Cliffs of Dover

[SEE]

This argument is a bit like two pilots in a turning battle and neither can get the angle.......one has to break.

I will post this in both threads as they are essentially the same and, as a user of both systems, have been the 'devils advocate' for too long. So both sets of combatants read the following! I added the RED text to version violation.

Text strings bearing explicit notice of "EyeControl Technologies" copyright (former name of NaturalPoint, Inc.) can be found within previous versions of the library in question. However, the strings have been encrypted in recent versions of the library to hide them. The continued presence of the strings can be verified by connecting to the interface and reading them.

The creators of FreeTrack did not deny copyright infringement at this time.

During early releases FreeTrack V1 the source for their TrackIR Enhanced DLL was publicly viewable. The copyrighted strings were clearly visible in the file NPClient_h.pas. Since that time, the developers have removed public access to the TrackIR Enhanced DLL in their source control system , while the rest of their source remains open to the public.

[sigur_ros]

Already addressed this, strings are functional part of interface so no copyright violation.

Section 102 copyright law repeated again.

"In no case does copyright protection for an original work of authorship extend to any idea, procedure, process, system, method of operation, concept, principle, or discovery, regardless of the form in which it is described, explained, illustrated, or embodied in such work."

[Wolf_Rider]

so... let's go back 100 posts;

Article 10 paragraph 1 of TRIPs provides that a computer program is a type of work which is eligible for protection under copyright law:

"Computer programs, whether in source or object code, shall be protected as literary works under the Berne Convention (1971)."


and

Article 27 paragraph 1 of TRIPs states that:

"(...) patents shall be available for any inventions, whether products or processes, in all fields of technology, provided that they are new, involve an inventive step and are capable of industrial application. (...) patents shall be available and patent rights enjoyable without discrimination as to the place of invention, the field of technology and whether products are imported or locally produced."


and back 20, for See

charliechew @ 09/10/2008 - 15h30 a dit:

FS9: Still only getting 4DOF.





You need to install TirViews :

FreeTrack Manual a dit:

TrackIR interface
FreeTrack works with all TrackIR enabled programs. The number of degrees of freedom available is dependent on the host application. The following games require, or can benefit from, an optional extension called TIRViews.

FS2004 – alternative to FSUIPC interface with full 6DOF support,
FSX – same as SimConnect interface.
Wings of War
NASCAR Racing Season 2003
Colin McRae Rally 4
Race Driver 2
Combat Flight Simulator 3
Richard Burns Rally
F1 Challenge
To install the extension, a file from the TrackIR software named TIRViews.dll needs to be copied into the FreeTrack root directory. TrackIR software is free for download from here:

http://www.naturalpoint.com/trackir/...d-manuals.html

If the file is found when FreeTrack starts, the TIRViews text next to the output option is black to indicate it is enabled, otherwise it is grey. When enabled and the output option is checked, the above games are supported (including automatic profile loading) and the FSUIPC and SimConnect interfaces are overridden.

FreeTrack creates and executes a dummy TrackIR.exe process to improve compatibility with TrackIR enabled games like Grand Prix Legends (GPL).

TrackIR software should not be run alongside FreeTrack.




Please try to run FSX as well once TIRviews has been installed and tell me if view sensibility issue is still there please .

Hope we'll get it ...

Rémy

[SEE]

Unfortunately, as this thread clearly demonstrates - theres legal Black and White with a hell of a lot of Grey in between. My final say....FT V2.2 Fine but V1 very iffy.....

[Wolf_Rider]

my quote in #573 is 2.2

[MadBlaster]

Originally Posted by SEE

This argument is a bit like two pilots in a turning battle and neither can get the angle.......one has to break.

I will post this in both threads as they are essentially the same and, as a user of both systems, have been the 'devils advocate' for too long. So both sets of combatants read the following! I added the RED text to version violation.

Text strings bearing explicit notice of "EyeControl Technologies" copyright (former name of NaturalPoint, Inc.) can be found within previous versions of the library in question. However, the strings have been encrypted in recent versions of the library to hide them. The continued presence of the strings can be verified by connecting to the interface and reading them.

The creators of FreeTrack did not deny copyright infringement at this time.

During early releases FreeTrack V1 the source for their TrackIR Enhanced DLL was publicly viewable. The copyrighted strings were clearly visible in the file NPClient_h.pas. Since that time, the developers have removed public access to the TrackIR Enhanced DLL in their source control system , while the rest of their source remains open to the public.

You can assert your rights all you want. That doesn't mean there aren't exceptions where these rights are not enforceable. Again, Copyright Act section 107 "fair use" clause when the use is non-commercial or section 102 where you have no rights in the first place. Also, the fact that Freetrack creators did not deny copyright infringement doesn't make it so. Also, TIRViews.dll must be a a hack too??? The difference here is, this is not non-commercial fair use. This is commercial. A profit motive. Big freakin' difference. NP is trying to sell their products, so they made a hack to games so user can have 6dof for games that did not intend to have it. What's their legal cover??? More NDA for all these games??? B.S. Also, why does NP make their dll freely available to the public if they are so worried about copyright violation by Freetrack??? Maybe because they don't want to get called on it??? Also, why does W-R keep quoting TRIPs??? Good luck enforcing that. We aren't in the NWO yet. Nation states still follow their own laws when the rubber hits the road. And W-R is really streeeetching that case anyway. He assumes WTO would override section 102 and 107 of U.S. copyright Act and that the U.S. would actually enforce such a thing. Where's the precedent??? There is none. More B.S.

[robtek]

All this legal mumbo jumbo doesn't lead anywhere as we aren't in the position to do anything about it.
It was admitted here that FT Users did, and still do, use the NP route to access games that dont use the free accessible freetrack.dll.
As this is done by the users and not by FT it is not possible to prosecute.
So the users using the hacked NP-route are legally safe but maybe morally questionable.
As it was explained quite a few post earlier, NP is not the big multinational company with unlimited resources as some posters her seem to imagine.
It is a company that started with software/hardware to ease the life of disabled people which then expanded to this small niche-market flight-simulation.
Still it is a small company and when the kinect system from MS is pushed into the market, this company is history, along with other companies that serve this market.
Then we all will find out what a real monopol is, when the price for kinect units has risen to the real costs plus the gain MS can get then without rivals.
I believe some will then look back with grief to this time with petty discussions.

[brando]

Originally Posted by robtek

All this legal mumbo jumbo doesn't lead anywhere as we aren't in the position to do anything about it.
It was admitted here that FT Users did, and still do, use the NP route to access games that dont use the free accessible freetrack.dll.
As this is done by the users and not by FT it is not possible to prosecute.
So the users using the hacked NP-route are legally safe but maybe morally questionable.
As it was explained quite a few post earlier, NP is not the big multinational company with unlimited resources as some posters her seem to imagine.
It is a company that started with software/hardware to ease the life of disabled people which then expanded to this small niche-market flight-simulation.
Still it is a small company and when the kinect system from MS is pushed into the market, this company is history, along with other companies that serve this market.
Then we all will find out what a real monopol is, when the price for kinect units has risen to the real costs plus the gain MS can get then without rivals.
I believe some will then look back with grief to this time with petty discussions.

Quite so! And when Windows 10 comes down the chute and makes all your Kinect software unworkable, so that you have to shell out for Kinect IV to keep using tracking - viz. Win XP, FFB1 and the gameport interface - then I expect we'll hear all the same stuff again. The only problem by then will be that no-one is listening.

[LoBiSoMeM]

Originally Posted by robtek

All this legal mumbo jumbo doesn't lead anywhere as we aren't in the position to do anything about it.
It was admitted here that FT Users did, and still do, use the NP route to access games that dont use the free accessible freetrack.dll.
As this is done by the users and not by FT it is not possible to prosecute.
So the users using the hacked NP-route are legally safe but maybe morally questionable.
As it was explained quite a few post earlier, NP is not the big multinational company with unlimited resources as some posters her seem to imagine.
It is a company that started with software/hardware to ease the life of disabled people which then expanded to this small niche-market flight-simulation.
Still it is a small company and when the kinect system from MS is pushed into the market, this company is history, along with other companies that serve this market.
Then we all will find out what a real monopol is, when the price for kinect units has risen to the real costs plus the gain MS can get then without rivals.
I believe some will then look back with grief to this time with petty discussions.

Now Kinect is "underpriced"... A "dumping" attempt to dump a product that don't have competition yeat... A beautifull way to justify NP overpriced HT solutions for sims.

Please, don't try to discuss economics... This example makes me laugh a lot!

[robtek]

Well, it will be not "to dump a product that don't have competition yeat" but to corner a possible market!
By the way, can you proof in any way that TIR is overpriced???
I mean with facts, not your fantasy.
And dont you try to compare with a mass-market webcam, apples and oranges!