The goodbye thread

[the Dutchman]

.....we haven't even met yet,have we?

[Blackdog_kt]

Originally Posted by Kikuchiyo

Stop the presses! Large updates use large bandwidth. I choose to only update my stuff when I want to play it, and that interfers with me wanting to play it right now!

The Steam client updates tend to be very small. If a client update is bringing your internet to a screeching halt you don't have a very good internet connection. Game updates do pause when you start a game that is played online. What I see likely happening here is people keep it off most of the time and don't let it do updates over night or something reasonable, and instead choose to basically do all the updates at the same moment they are ready to play a game. I.E. user error.

If you only start your car when it needs to be serviced it will take longer to get somewhere. That is not a fault with the car.

Bottom line is, it interferes with his ability to use his PC in a way he sees fit and was possible to do so without the platform. So yes, i'd say his concerns are valid, especially since none of the features any online platform brings to the table are necessary for most games to actually work. If it was, all the games on such platforms wouldn't be available in other versions but guess what, a lot of them are. It's clear the games can work on their own, so making things mandatory instead of optional is just a publisher being stubborn and nothing more.

So, a person who's got a certain PC configuration that's able to handle the game is marginalized because his PC can't run the extra fluff on top. He's damn right to be unimpressed with that.

All you guys in favor of this assume too much in thinking we all use our PCs the exact same way and if not, we should. It's not true, it's not going to happen anytime soon and all it will do is divide the community and cost sales. Maybe the extra sales from such platforms will offset this, maybe not, we'll just have to wait and see.

[Kikuchiyo]

Originally Posted by Blackdog_kt

Bottom line is, it interferes with his ability to use his PC in a way he sees fit and was possible to do so without the platform. So yes, i'd say his concerns are valid, especially since none of the features any online platform brings to the table are necessary for most games to actually work. If it was, all the games on such platforms wouldn't be available in other versions but guess what, a lot of them are. It's clear the games can work on their own, so making things mandatory instead of optional is just a publisher being stubborn and nothing more.

So, a person who's got a certain PC configuration that's able to handle the game is marginalized because his PC can't run the extra fluff on top. He's damn right to be unimpressed with that.

All you guys in favor of this assume too much in thinking we all use our PCs the exact same way and if not, we should. It's not true, it's not going to happen anytime soon and all it will do is divide the community and cost sales. Maybe the extra sales from such platforms will offset this, maybe not, we'll just have to wait and see.

You're right from the end user's perspective they aren't absolutely necessary, but they are dam convenient and add a lot of fuctionality. I however wouldn't do much online gaming if it weren't for Steam and the fact that I can call up a dozen people nearly instantly to jump into a game with me, and it makes finding servers incredibly easy.

I can't help that someone wants to use something in a slightly odd way and then complain that it doesn't work the way they want it to, and neither can anyone else. I offered a solution, but it was refused. It is simple as that there was no real argument to why he wouldn't be reasonable, but some people are incapable of any compromise. Being uncompromising in the real world will always lead to undue trouble for the uncompromising soul.

[Biggs [CV]]

Real fighter pilots adapt and persevere, online fighter pilots should do the same.

[BigC208]

Very interesting. I didn't mind Steam when I played HalfLife 4 or 5 years ago. That was a game with a limited duration though. There were a couple of times I could not get into the game when the net was down. Il2 or CoD are games with a very long shelf life. If you only needed Steam for MP I don't have a problem. If you have to use steam everytime you play we have a problem. I sat out RoF for almost a year and a half because of this. I'll sit this one out on the sidelines untill there is a "no steam for offline" option. It's the principle folks. My game, my rules. I cannot always be connected when I'm on the road and even at home my connection has periods of shoddy performance. The idea of being bombarded with adds for other games everytime I want to play go is putting me off.

Just cancelled my preorder with gogamer.com. I know, it's a bit impulsive but untill I hear that I don't need an internet connection to play offline I'm out. Another thing is I can get into Il2 in 30 seconds and play a QMB match. It always took me a few minutes just to get into steam if I could get in at all. Did not happen very often, mind you, but it was a turnoff when it did. Had to wait a few times for 20 or 30 minutes before it worked. Not going to deal with that headache again. RoF and DCS A10 are going to get my full attention untill this is resolved. This is a major bummer.

Where these people sleeping when all this constant internet on crap went on with RoF? Who knows how many sales they lost when this went on? I do hope they fix this for I want to support Oleg and play this game but enough's enough.

@ Biggs, you're right about adapting online, offline I'll do my own thing

Mind you, this is not about Steam or no Steam for me. It's about having to be connected to the internet when I want to play offline.

[Feuerfalke]

Originally Posted by Biggs [CV]

Real fighter pilots adapt and persevere, online fighter pilots should do the same.

Very well said.

Some people are rather CounterStrike-minded.

I go this way.
I go this way again.
I go this way again.
I go this way again.
I go this way again.
I go this way again.
I go this way again.
I go this way again.
I go this way again.

My road is blocked? I quit playing the game.

[Luftrofl]

Originally Posted by Blackdog_kt

Bottom line is, it interferes with his ability to use his PC in a way he sees fit and was possible to do so without the platform. So yes, i'd say his concerns are valid, especially since none of the features any online platform brings to the table are necessary for most games to actually work. If it was, all the games on such platforms wouldn't be available in other versions but guess what, a lot of them are. It's clear the games can work on their own, so making things mandatory instead of optional is just a publisher being stubborn and nothing more.

So, a person who's got a certain PC configuration that's able to handle the game is marginalized because his PC can't run the extra fluff on top. He's damn right to be unimpressed with that.

All you guys in favor of this assume too much in thinking we all use our PCs the exact same way and if not, we should. It's not true, it's not going to happen anytime soon and all it will do is divide the community and cost sales. Maybe the extra sales from such platforms will offset this, maybe not, we'll just have to wait and see.

Except this problem stems from people refusing to leave their PC on to allow updates whenever they happen to be released. When a computer is first switched on for the day all kinds of things are checking for updates. If a person must have incredibly slow internet they must make adjustments to their PC gaming. Sounds rude I guess but it's their problem, easily fixed by THEM. I doubt if his internet is really that slow he'd be able to play CoD(or anything else) online anyway.

As far as being upset this is a "Steam Only" game while others are available from other sources, come on. This is Cliffs of Dover not Call of Duty. It's a niche game that will not make a blip on the radar compared to big titles. How can one expect this to be available in CE, box everywhere, Digital download from dozens of sites, and steam. All that does is take money out of Olegs pocket compared to a Steam release.

[Kikuchiyo]

Originally Posted by BigC208

Very interesting. I didn't mind Steam when I played HalfLife 4 or 5 years ago. That was a game with a limited duration though. There were a couple of times I could not get into the game when the net was down. Il2 or CoD are games with a very long shelf life. If you only needed Steam for MP I don't have a problem. If you have to use steam everytime you play we have a problem. I sat out RoF for almost a year and a half because of this. I'll sit this one out on the sidelines untill there is a "no steam for offline" option. It's the principle folks. My game, my rules. I cannot always be connected when I'm on the road and even at home my connection has periods of shoddy performance. The idea of being bombarded with adds for other games everytime I want to play go is putting me off.

Just cancelled my preorder with gogamer.com. I know, it's a bit impulsive but untill I hear that I don't need an internet connection to play offline I'm out. Another thing is I can get into Il2 in 30 seconds and play a QMB match. It always took me a few minutes just to get into steam if I could get in at all. Did not happen very often, mind you, but it was a turnoff when it did. Had to wait a few times for 20 or 30 minutes before it worked. Not going to deal with that headache again. RoF and DCS A10 are going to get my full attention untill this is resolved. This is a major bummer.

Where these people sleeping when all this constant internet on crap went on with RoF? Who knows how many sales they lost when this went on? I do hope they fix this for I want to support Oleg and play this game but enough's enough.

@ Biggs, you're right about adapting online, offline I'll do my own thing

Mind you, this is not about Steam or no Steam for me. It's about having to be connected to the internet when I want to play offline.

You posted this twice so I will post this:

YOU DO NOT HAVE TO BE ONLINE WITH STEAM TO PLAY SP! Read what we are saying. Quit jumping to conclusions and making stuff up.

Twice.

[sfmadmax]

Originally Posted by Feuerfalke

Very well said.

Some people are rather CounterStrike-minded.

I go this way.
I go this way again.
I go this way again.
I go this way again.
I go this way again.
I go this way again.
I go this way again.
I go this way again.
I go this way again.

My road is blocked? I quit playing the game.

another post that i'm lol'ing at.. It's kind of sad out of the 5 popular threads or so on the forum are all rage posts about steam

[The Kraken]

Originally Posted by BigC208

@ Biggs, you're right about adapting online, offline I'll do my own thing

Mind you, this is not about Steam or no Steam for me. It's about having to be connected to the internet when I want to play offline.

I sympathize with your view, but as others have pointed out, you can easily play offline in Steam - in fact that's the only way I use it. While Rise of Flight, which you said you'll play instead, still needs a constant connection to use the single-player campaign mode (and that won't change for the overhauled campaign) and only allows single missions to be played offline. Which sounds way more restrictive than Steam to me...