Man Made Global Warming

[arthursmedley]

Originally Posted by pencon

I see andy has changed his name to old school ...

Nope, very wrong there.

[GraveyardJimmy]

Originally Posted by pencon

I see andy has changed his name to old school ...

Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 491

[pencon]

Well his smug spirit lives on ..

[swiss]

Originally Posted by Bewolf

Big part also is making housing more energy efficient. Massive costs now, but given building in Europe tend to stand a couple hundret years, in some cases millenia, it will pay off. But people here are not thinking in today and tomorrow anyways, but 20/50/100 years into the future.

1st
Like "minergie", right.
The isolation material uses soo much so grey energy you 'll never be able to make that up for(based on ~20cm and 100years lifetime).
This is a dead end.

2nd
In a Millennium(-nia is plural, btw)?!
What are you talking about? The storage facilities? Do you really think the Norwegians like the idea of having the better part of their country flooded?
What about he impact on the eco-system?

And let's face it, gas, oil, uranium are all not going to become any cheaper ever again.

Tue.
Thats why we need to make the fusion work. If we cant, we're f'ed - guaranteed.

As a side effect hundret thousands of new jobs have been created and a whole new technolgy field got established. Lots of money to be made here.

Tue again. Only it's Chinese who create and make all that money. You should check the numbers of 2012.
The companies in Germany are struggling and most likely wont make it.

[kendo65]

Originally Posted by WTE_Galway

Actually the 10 highest per capital co2 producers are:

1. Qatar
2. Trinidad and Tobago
3. United Arab Emirates
4. Netherlands Antilles
5. Bahrain
6. Brunei
7. Kuwait
8. Luxembourg
9. Aruba
10. Falkland Islands

Australia sneaks in at number 11 ... but unlike the first 10 has a relatively large population.

By my calculations that makes AUSTRALIA by far the worst CO2 producing nation in the world.

Bloody Aussies ....

Not according to this:

http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming...-countrys.html

which shows China just passing the USA in total (but much less per capita) with the Aussies a long way back (behind Mexico!)

(Presumably the 10 (small!) countries you list as being ahead of Australia per capita aren't included here as in overall terms they're next to irrelevant.)

[kendo65]

Originally Posted by kendo65 View Post
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If you described Ireland (and specifically the Fianna Fail government and their policies) as socialist most people would find it hard to stop laughing. The Irish screwup was caused by the banks having to be bailed out and rescued by the (boo hiss! BAD!!!) government/state after fueling a housing boom that subsequently crashed.

Similar situation in Spain afaik.
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Originally Posted by Wolf_Rider

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financial_Regulator

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_F...tory_Authority

http://www.clintonmemoriallibrary.co...st_agenda.html

So you're blaming too little and ineffective regulation for the problems in Ireland (and presumably elsewhere too). Probably a good point and one I wouldn't disagree with but a strange one to hear coming from the anti-state pro-free market side. So do you think then that governments/states should get more involved in regulating and limiting the market to ensure we don't have a repetition of the crash(es)?

Virtually no-one was in favour of any such measures before everything went belly up. In fact the major voices in the last 30 years had been proclaiming that 'the market knows best' and would self regulate. All that government had to do was get out of the way. That's pretty much what happened - the experiment was run starting with the deregulation of the Thatcher/Reagan era.

The results came through in 2008. Pretty definitively too.

Though the right can't face that fact, which they (accurately) judge is too threatening to their world-view, because to fully absorb the lessons of the crash would mean advocating more regulation and a stronger role for government.


As for the Clinton link, a rabidly biased right-wing hatchet job of a site repeatedly throwing the 'socialist' label actually says much more about their own lack of perspective than it does about Clinton or the Democrats.

But I have now realised that most of you are using the term 'socialist' in the Fox News sense of the term - i.e. worse than 'liberal', but (probably) not quite as bad as serial-killer, rather than any accurate dictionary definition of the term.

[MadBlaster]

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/sec-pornog...4#.T9KQilK8q9s

[kendo65]

Priceless. Any fig-leaf will do apparently. Even if a handful of junior employees watching porn sites was enough to bring down the most powerful economy in the world , how do you propose that they would affect the quality of regulation in Spain, UK, Ireland as well?

But actually that isn't even the point, because right-wing free market doctrine said that ALL the regulators everywhere could have sat at home all day watching porn because they weren't needed because markets knew best, were self-regulating and definitely didn't need any government interference.

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An interesting (sort of...) question - it seems in this thread that the European posters are mainly (though not totally) from a left-wing perspective while, as far as I can see ALL the US contributors are right-wing.

So, are there any American forum-ites at all out there who hold left-ish viewpoints?

[MadBlaster]

More irony. Republicans trying to get more regulation on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and Democrats/Socialists trying to stop it. These roles are usually reversed. All the Dems in this video are liars and thieves and should be arrested. But SEC is too busy surfing porn.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTbIb75JdwY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQXbT5ZMYaY

[kendo65]

The 2nd one is particularly good

http://myesoteric.hubpages.com/hub/F...ot-Responsible

http://spfaust.wordpress.com/2011/11...freddie-mac-2/