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Old 08-17-2009, 10:46 AM
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Tempest V did just fine with 4 Hispano MkV's. Thats the equivilent weight of fire is 12 .50's. And the Tempest V is a serious WW2 hot rod.
Yes, and the Hispano has a very similar muzzle velocity to the .50cal too, which makes an excellent gun for putting down targets at long range. Love the Tempest V, it is one of the absolute best low altitude fighters of the war, but I haven't seen it so far in Birds of Prey. Now that, and the Spitfire XIV would be DLC I would be quite happy to pay for.
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Old 08-17-2009, 10:51 AM
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I didn't think camping/spawn kill was possible in il2....I was wrong....
Camping, no, I am moving around a lot, just trying to keep a good position, its really more like flanking, or real life sniping, which is very different to what you will see in Call of Duty.

Spawn killing, not really, if I go for someone taking off the guy has at least a minute to live because I won't come into range of the flak guns on his base, because these going off would alert him to there being an enemy in the immediate area and ruin the kill

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Old 08-17-2009, 10:59 AM
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[QUOTE=David603;90644]Camping, no, I am moving around a lot, [QUOTE]

this ain't no copter game...


my mates and I used to call your kind of tactics "Steve Davis"...

if it works for you fine, but if a tactic stops the fun if everyone does it then its not quite cricket....

and moving camping is called "patrolling" in some quarters...time to break out the rpgs and noob tubes stat whores get special attention !

just sayin...play it how you wanna...

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Old 08-17-2009, 11:13 AM
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I didn't think camping/spawn kill was possible in il2....I was wrong....
Think of it differently. Its a valid tactic and was used extensivly. The 2nd TAF and 9th AF specialised in this sort of thing.

What it boils down to is the defending airforce should protect its airstrip.
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Old 08-17-2009, 11:27 AM
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this ain't no copter game...


my mates and I used to call your kind of tactics "Steve Davis"...

if it works for you fine, but if a tactic stops the fun if everyone does it then its not quite cricket....

and moving camping is called "patrolling" in some quarters...time to break out the rpgs and noob tubes stat whores get special attention !

just sayin...play it how you wanna...

just me and you logged on!! Night Night...
I don't mind if everyone uses these tactics, I know how to use them and how to counter them, though it would cut down on some of the easier kills if people were more aware of their surroundings and position.

I suppose it is the airborne equivalent of sniping, which I suspect isn't much fun for the troops on the other end. However, it isn't impossible to counter, all you need to do is climb to altitude yourself when you get a chance and then come looking for me, I'm quite happy to engage in such 1v1 altitude fights with little or no chance of outside interference. Also, if I was really being unsporting, I would fly a jet and use the same tactics, they are even better in this role and virtually impossible to catch.

Anyway, would you mind defining moving camping, it seems like a contradiction in terms to me. Are you saying trying to retain an altitude advantage over you enemies is camping?

Also, I don't get the Steve Davis reference. Would you care to elaborate?
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Old 08-17-2009, 01:36 PM
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Think of it differently. Its a valid tactic and was used extensivly. The 2nd TAF and 9th AF specialised in this sort of thing.

What it boils down to is the defending airforce should protect its airstrip.
It's ok in some missions where everyone agrees to it and it's a special mission circumstance (a historic recreation for example)

On almost all servers there's a gentleman's agreement not to, as people play to dogfight each other and getting shot up when you can't fight back yet over and over isn't going to be a good experience for anyone.
Most of the time when it happens you can't rely on other planes to protect the airfield as they'll be miles away in an engagement or stuck on the ground with you (as your allies get shot down they end up stuck with you until the whole team is getting shot to pieces by vulchers).
You are allowed to attack planes on the ground with bombs and rockets if it's your mission to attack the airfield however.

If you end up getting vulched repeatedly a last resort tactic is:
Change to a bomber of some sort and outfit the largest bombs available (you know where this is going). Sit on the ground and wait for the offending aircraft to come in for a pass and as he moves over you, drop the bombs. The wonderful shrapnel system in Il-2 will swiss cheese his plane and send him into the ground (netting you a kill). Then you just change back and take off.
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Old 08-17-2009, 01:39 PM
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or u can get a bomber with tones of guns and use it as an AA site
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Old 08-17-2009, 08:02 PM
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If I meet any of you online, and you try to BnZ me (David ) you better make sure I get shot down, or I'm coming for you
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Old 08-17-2009, 08:40 PM
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If I meet any of you online, and you try to BnZ me (David ) you better make sure I get shot down, or I'm coming for you
What with? You have to catch me to kill me, or be pretty good at snap shots, and the closest even a La-7 comes to matching performance with a 109K4 is below 5000ft where it is slightly faster in a straight line and only slightly worse at climbing. Above this the gap grows quite rapidly, with the K4 having 40mph top speed and over 1000ft climb per min over a La-7 at 20,000ft. The gap in performance to a Yak 3 is even bigger.

Tell you what though, if you want a TnB fight I'll fly a Spitfire XVI and you can fly a Yak-3. Pretty good match up, I think you would agree.
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Old 08-17-2009, 08:45 PM
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Between a MkXIV and Yak-3? That could be interesting, but I think a MkIX Spit would be a better match.
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