Should 1c finally be concerned about competition? Eagle Dynamics "Flying Legends". - Page 4

Sternjaeger II · #31 03-16-2012, 12:35 AM

well I suppose it's all down to what people look into a flight sim.
Does the DCS Mustang look promising? Hell yeah! Will it actually be the beginning of a serious competition? It's too early to say.

It will be down to the level of detail of the plane, the quality of the flight model and damage model, the overall feel of realism it gives you once you're inside..

It's a bit risky to develop such a project and leave it without something to shoot at, I suppose they'll use it as a benchmark and decide what to do from there.

As for the landscape, if we could combine the level of detail of CloD with the colour palette of DCS stuff, we wouldn't have to go out anymore!

Wolf_Rider · #32 03-16-2012, 06:04 AM

Gotta keep in mind though that The Fighter Collection (which Eagle Dynamics are very much a part of) is an aviation museum and they have a few of the old warbirds (airworthy) in their stable, of which, the P51 was a small ED project, which grew in size enough to warrant release in its own right.

The thing of the P51 must have a target and adversary is pure "kill fixation" from those who have no concept of what the original project was and no appreciation for a study sim.... no appreciation whatsoever, and consideration that a museum can exist in an electronic format..

Skoshi Tiger · #33 03-16-2012, 06:21 AM

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Gotta keep in mind though that The Fighter Collection (which Eagle Dynamics are very much a part of) is an aviation museum and they have a few of the old warbirds (airworthy) in their stable, of which, the P51 was a small ED project, which grew in size enough to warrant release in its own right.

The thing of the P51 must have a target and adversary is pure "kill fixation" from those who have no concept of what the original project was and no appreciation for a study sim.... no appreciation whatsoever, and consideration that a museum can exist in an electronic format..

But if you go back to the original topic which is "Should 1C finally be conserned..." you need to compare the two sims on a single playing field. COD is a combat flight sim.

If we are discussing if 1C should be concerned then we have to judge the Mustang sim on that field. It doesn't matter how good a study sim it is, until there is a decent plane set and a contempory environment for it to operate in it's usefullness as a combat sim will be limited.

Also as a single flyable plane combat flight sim, how good will DCS's AI be as an opponent??

Sternjaeger II · #34 03-16-2012, 09:29 AM

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The thing of the P51 must have a target and adversary is pure "kill fixation" from those who have no concept of what the original project was and no appreciation for a study sim.... no appreciation whatsoever, and consideration that a museum can exist in an electronic format..

well if that's the purpose, I doubt you'd find something more accurate than the A2A projects.

Wolf_Rider · #35 03-16-2012, 10:57 AM

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well if that's the purpose, I doubt you'd find something more accurate than the A2A projects.

except for the FSX platform they fly on

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If we are discussing if 1C should be concerned then we have to judge the Mustang sim on that field. It doesn't matter how good a study sim it is, until there is a decent plane set and a contempory environment for it to operate in it's usefullness as a combat sim will be limited.

but that the thing... who says it has to be a combat sim though?
The original il2 was a study sim, has that been forgotten??
Would it be incorrect to judge the ED P51 in its own field? (it is after all, the only way to get a fair comparison

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danjama · #36 03-16-2012, 11:12 AM

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except for the FSX platform they fly on

but that the thing... who says it has to be a combat sim though?
The original il2 was a study sim, has that been forgotten??
Would it be incorrect to judge the ED P51 in its own field? (it is after all, the only way to get a fair comparison

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At this point, it's incorrect to assume it is anything. But consider, it could be planned as a study sim, but being flexible developers, as I suggested they might spot the gap in the market (disappointed 1c customers, lack of any potential late-war theatre sim) and try and plug it.

I also disagree that the original il2 was a study sim, considering there were other aircraft included as flyable, and an entire theatre of war with weapons/targets.

danjama · #37 03-16-2012, 11:16 AM

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The thing of the P51 must have a target and adversary is pure "kill fixation" from those who have no concept of what the original project was and no appreciation for a study sim.... no appreciation whatsoever, and consideration that a museum can exist in an electronic format..

That's slightly arrogant. It is possible to appreciate a study sim, and hope that it becomes more. It's also possible, I suppose, to have a study sim, as well as a combat sim in one package, as ED have shown with their other projects.

David198502 · #38 03-16-2012, 11:21 AM

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+1

Besides, the DCS 'environment' leaves me cold. The landscape is less interesting than say, the Slovakia map in 1946. The 'atmospherics' can't compare with 'Cliffs' in any serious way IMO.

I had a fun time learning the full real systems on the Warthog, but once I'd learned them, didn't pick the sim/game up again in any serious way.

I can see that for dedicated Mustang fans, the new expansion'll be fun, but we'll see. Given time for both camps to evolve, in 5 years time we'll be able to make a substantial comparitive evaluation. No offence to the OP, but to say that 1C had better watch out simply because of a Mustang on the horizon is I think a little premature.

i dont know, but in my view, clod's landscape is in many aspects inferiour to the slowakia map as well.
although it is incredible detailed(they modeled single leafs on trees) in some areas, the overall feeling is not at all convincing.

im not a fan of the mustang in any way, but i want it realistic.and if they would include a german figher, 1c would have to make the planes as realistic to keep me playing and buying their products.

Wolf_Rider · #39 03-16-2012, 11:29 AM

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That's slightly arrogant. It is possible to appreciate a study sim, and hope that it becomes more. It's also possible, I suppose, to have a study sim, as well as a combat sim in one package, as ED have shown with their other projects.

nah... its not arrogant at all, though it is perhaps slightly cynical

and you're exactly right in it is possible to appreciate a study sim for what it is, which is what I'm saying

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I also disagree that the original il2 was a study sim

you're in for a shock then, 'cause that what it was...

ATAG_MajorBorris · #40 03-16-2012, 04:43 PM

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nah... its not arrogant at all, though it is perhaps slightly cynical

and you're exactly right in it is possible to appreciate a study sim for what it is, which is what I'm saying

you're in for a shock then, 'cause that what it was...

you pressed the ez button and all the planes started...hmm thats a study sim?