Battle of Malta or Mediterranean - why not?

[Chivas]

Originally Posted by Force10

I know this is outside the box here, but I really wish they would get back to the Korean war sim they were working on using this engine. WW2 has been covered quite a bit in our flight sim world, and the last sim that was dedicated to the Korean conflict was Mig Alley. Machinegun dogfights in early era jets, whats not to like! They would really have something unique and not done too often. I know there are some IL-2 mods out there that touch on this era, just nothing very complete.

Luthier Korean War addon (Galba?) must have done a considerable amount of work before their team was drafted into the main development. I would say there is a good chance that third party Korean addon will regroup after the main game engine is optimized, and mostly bug free. You should see more than a couple third party groups, community modders, and the main development pumping out Maps, Theaters, Aircraft, objects, and campaigns. The new game engine has been the major stumbling block. IMHO

[Force10]

Originally Posted by Chivas

Luthier Korean War addon (Galba?) must have done a considerable amount of work before their team was drafted into the main development. I would say there is a good chance that third party Korean addon will regroup after the main game engine is optimized, and mostly bug free. You should see more than a couple third party groups, community modders, and the main development pumping out Maps, Theaters, Aircraft, objects, and campaigns. The new game engine has been the major stumbling block. IMHO

LOL! Thanks for throwing that in there at the end Chivas. I completely agree with you on this one. I think I remember seeing early renders for the Sabre and mig awhile ago.

[Richie]

The Mediterranean will come along after Russia I'm sure. They already have many of the aeroplanes needed but Italy Sicily Yugoslavia Greece Crete maybe Turkey, Tunisia Libya Egypt the Mediterranean Sea Etc. will be a huge undertaking it sounds simple when one just says the "Med". This may take a while especially if it's done one to one witch seems impossible. I think it will be done in sections.

[Richie]

Originally Posted by Richie

The Mediterranean will come along after Russia I'm sure. They already have many of the aeroplanes needed but Italy Sicily Yugoslavia Greece Crete maybe Turkey, Tunisia Libya Egypt the Mediterranean Sea Etc. will be a huge undertaking it sounds simple when one just says the "Med". This may take a while especially if it's done one to one witch seems impossible. I think it will be done in sections.

They did manage to do one in IL-2.MODs I think it first came out in the IL-2 War addon patch. I really liked that online War. This map could be made much bigger. There is a huge Libya map in the mission builder. As you can see it goes all the way up to DP!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-F4C...1&feature=plcp

[Richie]

Originally Posted by cheesehawk

I remember that map was huge, but was it 1-1 scale? I didn't think it was, may have to re-install and revisit it.

For the video I get around 940 across, I checked in my Atlas and it suits miles better that Kms. but either way that Libya Egypt map looks like it's 1 to 1.

[Chivas]

Originally Posted by Richie

The Mediterranean will come along after Russia I'm sure. They already have many of the aeroplanes needed but Italy Sicily Yugoslavia Greece Crete maybe Turkey, Tunisia Libya Egypt the Mediterranean Sea Etc. will be a huge undertaking it sounds simple when one just says the "Med". This may take a while especially if it's done one to one witch seems impossible. I think it will be done in sections.

The size of the possible maps is still an unknown. It will be great if its possible now, but I think it will awhile before the sim is optimized enough or even computers strong enough to make highly detailed large maps. But in the mean time we could see smaller maps, like the area surrounding Malta, that could intail parts Sicily, and a very small part of N. Africa. That said there weren't alot of objects in that area so its possible it could be expanded.

edit....the size of the map in your thumbnail would be a great map.

[GraveyardJimmy]

Originally Posted by Chivas

I think it will awhile before the sim is optimized enough or even computers strong enough to make highly detailed large maps.

I'm not sure how the sim at the moment renders maps, but it doesn't do the whole map at once- if I press Ctrl F2 to look at enemy aircraft and they are over land it takes a few seconds for the land to change to sea or vice versa, with the area of the map they are in getting rendered to view when selected. As you get a lot better FPS over sea than land I think that it could handle larger maps, but only if optimised enough to render that much buildings and landscape- London isn't as smooth fps-wise as the channel. However I hear some people get good FPS over London on very high end PC's, if thats so then they could probably get good FPS over large maps as it will generally always be the same amount of view distance that is rendered I would guess (less if we get fog etc, though the way smoke effects destroy my fps I'm not sure that would be good at the moment!).

[Chivas]

Originally Posted by GraveyardJimmy

I'm not sure how the sim at the moment renders maps, but it doesn't do the whole map at once- if I press Ctrl F2 to look at enemy aircraft and they are over land it takes a few seconds for the land to change to sea or vice versa, with the area of the map they are in getting rendered to view when selected. As you get a lot better FPS over sea than land I think that it could handle larger maps, but only if optimised enough to render that much buildings and landscape- London isn't as smooth fps-wise as the channel. However I hear some people get good FPS over London on very high end PC's, if thats so then they could probably get good FPS over large maps as it will generally always be the same amount of view distance that is rendered I would guess (less if we get fog etc, though the way smoke effects destroy my fps I'm not sure that would be good at the moment!).

Your probably right, then it would be just a case of the time it takes to build such a large map which wouldn't be a problem when its mostly open water, but the time to build a Britain to Germany bombing campaign map would be another matter.

[proton45]

I have to admit that I was looking forward to project Galba...Mig's & F-86 Sabre's battling it out!! The mind drools. Also...all of the Asian ground textures (and buildings, ect) would have been a great boon for a modding community, that's interested in the Pacific theater (once the tools are released).

I still hope (dream and fantasize) that somehow, the Chinese (1937) incident and the Spanish Civil war will be offered in some kind of an add-on. I love the variety of aerocraft involved in these theaters. On the one side, you have a rag-tag variety of fighters & bombers that have been imported from around the world. And on the other side you have a determined and organized industrial power that is working to develop a modern air power.

If I remember correctly...the Mediterranean theater, was the forums front runner for the next add-on. Granted it was all forum speculation, but it was never presented by the development team as a possible add-on...it was the forum that presented the idea.

Anyway...the defense of Moscow will be fun too.

[Richie]

Originally Posted by Chivas

The size of the possible maps is still an unknown. It will be great if its possible now, but I think it will awhile before the sim is optimized enough or even computers strong enough to make highly detailed large maps. But in the mean time we could see smaller maps, like the area surrounding Malta, that could intail parts Sicily, and a very small part of N. Africa. That said there weren't alot of objects in that area so its possible it could be expanded.

edit....the size of the map in your thumbnail would be a great map.

I totally agree about the thumbnail map Chivas. We've had a lot of fun on that map. Very versatile.