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[Igo kyu]

Originally Posted by swiss

It's illegal? Where? In Italy?

Do you now the history of the symbol?

It actually a Roman sign, called lat. "fasces" which means "bundle".

Famously the symbol of the facists. The idea apparently being that by binding together some feeble twigs, you can make a handle that will work for an axe.

It is pretty much the italian equivalent of the swastica, arguably more extreme/unambiguous, but outside italy it it's mostly not understood, so it passes with little comment. Especially since Fascist Italy didn't actually participate in the holocaust in quite the numbers that Nazi Germany did.

[swiss]

Originally Posted by Igo kyu

Famously the symbol of the facists. The idea apparently being that by binding together some feeble twigs, you can make a handle that will work for an axe.

It's a Roman sign of authority, nothing more nothing less.
Thank god mussolini didn't come up with the idea to use a red star...

It is pretty much the italian equivalent of the swastica, arguably more extreme/unambiguous, but outside italy it it's mostly not understood, so it passes with little comment. Especially since Fascist Italy didn't actually participate in the holocaust in quite the numbers that Nazi Germany did.

Yes I am aware of that, I can read wiki myself, thx.
In Switzerland it's the crest of a canton:



NAZI SWITZERLAND!

btw: is it possible you're a little fascistoid? Or are you just German?

[julian265]

Originally Posted by swiss

It's a Roman sign of authority, nothing more nothing less.

I'm not sure I understand your meaning behind "nothing more nothing less"*,
however the swastika was also in use before you-know-who used it.

*Do you mean that it was a pre-existing symbol and so doesn't need to be avoided? Or that it wasn't an analogy with an axe?

[Igo kyu]

The fasces may have originally been an ancient roman symbol, but when the Fascists chose it as their name, they pretty much took it over.

[WTE_Galway]

Its worth pointing out that the Soviet Red Star is also banned in quite a few countries including Latvia, Lithuania and Poland.

[swiss]

Originally Posted by julian265

I'm not sure I understand your meaning behind "nothing more nothing less"*,
however the swastika was also in use before you-know-who used it.

*Do you mean that it was a pre-existing symbol and so doesn't need to be avoided?

Bingo.

You can't just run away from history. If some ppl abuse it - well, the will use it anyway.
Banning whatever is wrong in general, it's a sign of capitulation of a society.

[AndyJWest]

Banning whatever is wrong in general, it's a sign of capitulation of a society.

Banning 'Whatever'? That isn't the question. Societies ban all sorts of things - child pornography, racial abuse, advocating support for terrorism... The bans don't stop such things occurring, but they do indicate a society's disapproval. As it happens, I think that banning political symbols in a historical context is often excessive, but given 20th century history, to ignore the power of such symbols entirely could be a mistake. As long as there are Neo-Nazis etc who use such symbols to spread their messages of hate, I can sympathise with those who would rather not see them at all.

[swiss]

"...whatever [sign]", i guess it got lost when i edited the post.

I can sympathise with those who would rather not see them at all.

And they magically vanish?

[whatnot]

Originally Posted by Glider_UK

Well I think i'll hold off posting any more pics then. The next thing we will be bitching about will be the red crosses on tunics from the crusades. Never deny the past but always learn from it. that is my opinion.

Please continue posting your pics, love to see them. This whole swastika discussion that emerges every once in a while here and elswhere is idiotic. Having authentic markings in WW2 era airplane (how authetic the sample picture here was is irrelevant) is a totally different story than having it stiched into the jacket shoulder of a neonazi or whatever.

I can't believe the hysterical reaction even some smart individuals still have on 'forbidden' emblems in historical context. If our way of protecting the ugly part of our history from repeating itself is so much bound on irrelevant details like this we're waaay off the target.

It's like the discussion on immigration in many countries these days: voice any criticism or concern on anything related to that and you're a racists by default who wants to 'close the borders'. After a while in this dialogue the nazi-card is pulled from the deck eventually too.

A good summary of the above is a comment in this thread: "Do you mean you approve of the holocaust?"

WTF?!

Hate to stirr the water of this overdiscussed subject but couldn't help myself even though Blackdog put my thoughts to words pretty well.

[Xilon_x]

loock this video is really SVASTICA is free not illegal but legal WHY?
this 109 fly in modern time whit embleme of svastica.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXJ2n...eature=related

yes SVASTICA is free embleme no WAR no HOLOCAUST no NAZZIST is only demonstration of storic event is only SHOW not really.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYLyr...eature=related

VROOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMM uaoooooooo this is real sound of airplane zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzvvvvrrrooooooooooommmmmmmmmmm. FANTASTIC.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=strKB...eature=related