Il-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs Of Dover BETA Patch v 1.03.15527

[JG52Krupi]

Originally Posted by Insuber

And from now on ... beware of the Hun from the sun!

I think its realistic but it could do with some work, personally as a person that has NEVER flown an aircraft I would like them to tone it down, so its a bit more gradual than a "WTF is someone shining a torch into my eyeball".

[klem]

Originally Posted by JG52Krupi

I think its realistic but it could do with some work, personally as a person that has NEVER flown an aircraft I would like them to tone it down, so its a bit more gradual than a "WTF is someone shining a torch into my eyeball".

Well I've flown in aircraft many many times, usually as a wide-body passenger but also on occasions in light aircraft. I don't remember the sun ever causing a milky white-out across 120 degrees or more of my vision. Perhaps there are days like that, perhaps CoD is simulating hazy skies to 30,000 feet but I do know there are days when it is crystal clear and looking 30 degrees away from the sun does not leave me blinded.

Anyway I think we've stumbled onto something. Some of the RAF pilots had flip-down sunglasses. Perhaps MG will find a way to do that.

[F15lbh]

Flown many hours....the sun effect as it currently mechanized is overly done IMO. Step outside and do a little visual search around the sun...I think you will find vision is impared within 10-20 degrees around the sun, vice your entire field of view being washed out! Only exception would be on EXTREMELY hazy days where vision may be impared more extensively. Tough to put exact numbers on it...but the way the sim is now does not accurately reflect reality. I hope the developers tone it down. As a matter of fact...the way it was pre-patch is much more realistic in my view.

Just my .02

[baronWastelan]

The beta patch blinding sun simulates exactly the performance of my lousy gray eyes in bright sunlight. It's the main reason why I don't pilot real aircraft. Needless to say I hope it reverts back to previous version in the next release patch.

[Arklight]

Originally Posted by undpilot87

I don't pretend to know everything but being an experienced pilot I do know what is realistic in the cockpit. Sun visors are essential as sunglasses don't always help that much. There are many times where I've had on a pair of sunglasses and still needed the visor. When looking towards the sun it makes it very hard to see just about anything including the instruments.

I posted that because I find it annoying that people are saying that this effect is unrealistic when they have never set foot in a cockpit. If I went around talking like a knew a lot about engineering when I have no experience or education in engineering I would expect that people would refer to me as an idiot.

Some people in these forums really need to stop acting like know-it-alls and concern themselves with something within their intellectual capacity.

Oh and btw, putting your hand up to block the sun, making everything clear again, really does work like it does in the game. Go get some flight lessons and experience it for yourself. Until then please stop spreading disinformation.

I was flying a C172 one time in Northern CA coming back from a cross-country, and the sun was so bad I had trouble seeing the airport in front of us a few miles out, and I had sunglasses on.

Those who think the sun can't completely blind you have never been completely blinded by it. How's that for thought provoking? lol

[GT182]

Originally Posted by cheesehawk

You can set the trim to sliders/rotaries if you have them. Look under the Axis tab of the controls, you'll find many duplicates from the controls for Keys.

Got a rotary switch on my Cougar, I'll try that. Thanks Cheesehawk.

[Nicolo]

Originally Posted by undpilot87

I don't pretend to know everything but being an experienced pilot I do know what is realistic in the cockpit. Sun visors are essential as sunglasses don't always help that much. There are many times where I've had on a pair of sunglasses and still needed the visor. When looking towards the sun it makes it very hard to see just about anything including the instruments.

I posted that because I find it annoying that people are saying that this effect is unrealistic when they have never set foot in a cockpit. If I went around talking like a knew a lot about engineering when I have no experience or education in engineering I would expect that people would refer to me as an idiot.

Some people in these forums really need to stop acting like know-it-alls and concern themselves with something within their intellectual capacity.

Oh and btw, putting your hand up to block the sun, making everything clear again, really does work like it does in the game. Go get some flight lessons and experience it for yourself. Until then please stop spreading disinformation.

Being an experienced pilot doesn't make you a person who understands light more then any user here, even the "ignorants". If the discussion was about FM, your opinion would be very respected, but that's not the case here.

If some guy in the forum drives to west, coming home from work everyday, getting blind by the sun, he has some experience, but not enough to say "I know this. You are all ignorants."

I've seen a good post about this subject from a forum user who works as a designer or artist, can't remember now...I'm an industrial designer and for sure there are others here who at least paint or take pictures just for a hobby and the opinion of any of us about how the sun should look like has more weight then yours.

The last book I took about this subject, "Color and Light", by James Gurney, has a whole chapter about atmospheric effects, it's complex. You probably could not say what colors you see in the sky, sometimes I can't too, and I have some years in painting.

I mean no disrespect, and it's not just to you undpilot87 but the forum has some posts on this subject that seem very arrogant and agressive.

What I understand from the comments criticizing the sun in the beta patch, is that it's not blinding, there's no glare, but a white fade all over the screen.
About covering the sun with a hand, the guy was joking, you don't have a hand in game, I keep moving my head to cover the sun with the canopy's bars in the hurricane.

[GT182]

IMO it's haze in ClOD making the sky opaque at a distance. Granted it shouldn't be that way all the time, but it's my understanding from talking to a few WWII pilots, that they haze back then too.

At least it's not like IL2 1946 where you don't see much haze, if any at all. In than sim it's more of a fog that burns off over time. Clear skies all the time is not a reality.

[bw_wolverine]

Regarding the in game sun:

I find the current beta patch version to be quite "realistic" with regard to the effect it has on my vision.

Your computer monitor can only do so much. It's not going to produce the light of the sun out of a bunch of pixels. They have to find a way to fake it and they're trying to fake what the world looks like when you're getting sun blind, and that's the reflex to squint, making things hazy and blurry and difficult to see all over, not just at the exact point of the sun. It seems a different take on it than all the other 'sun blind' attempts I've seen in other games and I think it's better.

The first time I saw it I had to take a second to realize that I wasn't actually squinting at the screen, the way I would if the sun was in my eyes. It was a 'wow, that's well done' moment.

So mark me down as pro-beta patch sun.

Oh, my credentials: human being. I also drive to work in the morning facing east and drive home at sun down facing west

[Blackdog_kt]

Maybe the amount of degrees of pilot's POV affected on either side could be toned down a bit, but for looking straight at the sun i actually think it's quite good as it is and much better than most other sims i've seen.