Friday Update, April 13, 2012

[David Hayward]

Originally Posted by Falstaff

Hayward said:

>>You don't even see the irony, do you? <<

Yes, but the post outweighs it.

No, it doesn't. It's the same old tripe. They're still fixing the game and you're still complaining.

[[URU]AkeR]

Sweeet!!!! GReat news from the patch! And the screenshots of the sequel look better and better every time.

Originally Posted by csThor

Oh, and you are absolutely neutral? If you managed to converse in a normal tone people may take you serious. But right now you merely resemble an angry little kid who hasn't gotten the sweets he wanted.

+1

[BigC208]

Originally Posted by Hooves

I'm sorry but you have it absolutely backwards. In historical context the RAF actually had an advantage as the LW were ordered to stay with the bombers negating their boom and zoom advantage. In a video game with unrestricted
ROE the 109's make mints meat of the RAF birds as they can do whatever they want to. In an online game arena with no orders. Realism falls on it's face, with one side constantly getting beat for the sake of historical flight model. So tell ya what I'll continue to try to get a height advantage if you 109 drivers never stray from your bombers. After all we are being "realistic" aren't we?

Don't be sorry, you're right. I dont play a whole lot online. Especially not in historical scenario's. The 109's hands were tied by Goerings orders but the BoB was not lost because of this tactical oversight.
I've read many accounts of RAF Squadrons being jumped by 109's because they arrived thousands of feet below the Germans, despite radar. 109's closely escorting bombers are still going to mess you up if you show up 4000 ft too low. This happend so often that Squadrons would add 5-6 thousand feet to their assigned altitude when being vectored or adjust course for better positioning. What I tried to convey was that "IF" the scenarios and tactics online where followed historically, the 109 would be superior(as it is now and will be even more so after the patch). What Joe sixpack actually does online I have no say over. Most of these things turn into airquake and have, indeed, nothing to do with what happened in the summer and fall of 1940.

What I'm worried about is if you try to balance the planesets performance for game balance sake you cannot ever create a realistic scenario. At some point historical scenario's will be part of the online game by mission design and the real weak and strong points will come out and be utilised. Realistic tactics worked pretty good in the old air warrior days where efforts where made by participating squads to keep it real. If you were asigned to protect your bombers, that's whay you did. They tried to lure us down where they performed better or got the bombers uncovered but we stayed high or B&Z'd and fought on our own terms. Worked well in 40 or 44 scenario's. Maybe a pipedream but I keep my hopes up that the airquake mentality lessens when more squads come over to Il2CoD from Il2 when the game is patched.

[Tavingon]

Fiat handling was always wrong, I always felt like I was trying to take off in a brick with wings!

[addman]

Originally Posted by Tavingon

Fiat handling was always wrong, I always felt like I was trying to take off in a brick with wings!

And after you passed 3000 meters the brick actually started falling.

[[URU]AkeR]

Originally Posted by bw_wolverine

This is true but it leads me to another conclusion.

Since we don't die, we all gradually inch towards complete "mastery" of our respective machines. If the 109 is by a margin the better fighter, won't the 109 pilot eventually have complete 'by a margin' advantage over the Hurricane/Spit pilot?

Just an analogy to help the point: I've got a Mazda 3 Sport and I drive it every day. I drive it so much that I think I'm pretty good at pushing it to its absolute limit. Now my buddy gets an Audi r8. While he's brand new at driving it, he spins out in corners or whatever and I pass him. It's an even race...up until he gets skilled with it. No matter how well I drive my Mazda 3 Sport, as long as he doesn't f it up in the r8, he wins. Because we've spent all the hours we need to get mastery with our equipment.

Just sub in a Hurricane and a 109 for the cars.

This isn't a casual game. I doubt we've got too many online pilots who just play a few minutes here and there and will never make their skills improve.

That is true, and that is the way it should if planes have historical performance, i´m sure there are other games that favor balance versus realism but that is not this game. TEAM TACTICS is something very important in those conditions, in IL2-1946 I allways see that when 2 great pilots meet in combat it all comes down to using your brain and not making mistakes.
Planes don´t win battles, pilots do. One of the planes i love the most in il2 1946 is the mc200, and believe me i have downed all kinds of planes with the little plane, from spits to La7´s

[5./JG27.Farber]

Originally Posted by bw_wolverine

This is true but it leads me to another conclusion.

Since we don't die, we all gradually inch towards complete "mastery" of our respective machines. If the 109 is by a margin the better fighter, won't the 109 pilot eventually have complete 'by a margin' advantage over the Hurricane/Spit pilot?

No, because we dont all learn the same, fly for the same time, drop our bad habits etc. Plus there is always luck and circumstance...

[JG52Uther]

So the G50 could become a bit useful now. Mass Regia Aeronautica raids anyone?

[addman]

Originally Posted by JG52Uther

So the G50 could become a bit useful now. Mass Regia Aeronautica raids anyone?

Absolutely! Finally we can keep up with the Br.20's when escorting them.

[VO101_Tom]

Originally Posted by JG52Uther

So the G50 could become a bit useful now. Mass Regia Aeronautica raids anyone?

I'm in!