Head Tracking with Cliffs of Dover

[Wolf_Rider]

Originally Posted by Stipe

Ah screw it then. I'm going to stick my head inside the monitor and look around.
It will offer 6 dof. I'll call it: Face burn™

lol


http://www.seeingmachines.com/produc...api/licensing/


The point I was attempting is, well some of many is that there are options out there which can be utilised and developed. Another is, neither NP or SM seem to be at loggerheads, so there is the monopoly thing no longer applicable. (keep in mind though that NP started out servicing the needs of the invalid, until a gamer or two saw how the smartnav could be a bonus to gaming. A few approaches and a few chit chats later... and the rest is in the annuls of history. Not bad, eh?).

[norulz]

Originally Posted by Stipe

I have freetrack. What I meant was if you can get 6 dof over PPJoy?

Yes!

Julien

Did you need to do anything to get PPJoy to work in 64 bit?

Yes... it is a bit twitchy. You need to install the latest version... 08426 IIRC... and you need to put Win7 in "test mode" with a program... then restart.... install PPJoy... configure it then you can turn off test mode with same program.

I still need to test it a bit but it works.

There is a thread on ED forums just about this... let me find it.


here's a movie.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScuYfagMixU

same youtube user have a thread on ED forums... but I can't find it now as I need to leave from work with some... other work .

[LoBiSoMeM]

Originally Posted by Wolf_Rider

lol


http://www.seeingmachines.com/produc...api/licensing/


The point I was attempting is, well some of many is that there are options out there which can be utilised and developed. Another is, neither NP or SM seem to be at loggerheads, so there is the monopoly thing no longer applicable. (keep in mind though that NP started out servicing the needs of the invalid, until a gamer or two saw how the smartnav could be a bonus to gaming. A few approaches and a few chit chats later... and the rest is in the annuls of history. Not bad, eh?).

Yes, we have A LOT of options, but how can we use these options if game devs don't make it available?

We have TIR, FaceAPI, Freetrack... You really don't understand the "monopoly thing", sorry. We have competition, but few game devs make it available, as BIS did.

Why? You can't answer. I can't answer. But 1C, Oleg, can. Why they don't answer these questions?

You really don't think how strange is that, W-R?

[Wolf_Rider]

Originally Posted by LoBiSoMeM

Yes, we have A LOT of options, but how can we use these options if game devs don't make it available?

I'll address this point of yours, if I may.


What needs to happen is to make the approach to the developers, in a professional and friendly manner. Remember! you are asking for inclusion in their game, their product, it isn't necessarily the other way around. Foremost though is the need for a working product, a clean product, a product which the developer themselves could be proud of and not have to worry about being associated with. Their reputation is on the line there.


Its not hard

[julian265]

Originally Posted by Wolf_Rider

you have also quoted my reasons for disagreeing with your assessment.

ROFL. Here are my only quotes of you, since I posted my assessment and asked for your opposite reasoning:

"I'm going to have to disagree with your assessment, on the grounds of; I wait for fact concerning DCS and the SDK. Fact, not rumour, not assessment, not speculation, not Chinese whispers but fact."

"Are DCS still got their vendor (seller) independent (not under the control of any one, or group of, seller/s) underway yet? This is a fair question, I think... what do you think, Julian?"

If you have forgotten, the issue was (to quote you) "The question still remains though... was the (to be clearer) "vendor independant" SDK, developed purely by DCS without reference to or use of NP's SDK?"

I still think it's extremely unlikely that ED would try to use NP's software without permission. You still disagree, apparently with the reason: "just because".

Originally Posted by Wolf_Rider

DCS, Julian, only ever (at least in going by the link) mentioned 3DoF, may I ask you; where did the 6DoF come into it from?

The ED quote implies that more than 3DoF was originally intended, and as 6DoF is the current standard, and also the number of DoF required for fully featured human head movement, it's a safe deduction to make.

Anyway, if you're not going to discuss the issue, but rather write circuitous and irrelevant questions, I'll leave you to it.

[Wolf_Rider]

Julian, sorry mate but your assessmnet I dismissed in favour of waiting for some facts. You can imply and deduce and theorise as much as you like, but that is all you are doing. None of that really, is going to get anyone anywhere... is it? That in itself is what drives things around in circles.

[LoBiSoMeM]

Originally Posted by Wolf_Rider

I'll address this point of yours, if I may.


What needs to happen is to make the approach to the developers, in a professional and friendly manner. Remember! you are asking for inclusion in their game, their product, it isn't necessarily the other way around. Foremost though is the need for a working product, a clean product, a product which the developer themselves could be proud of and not have to worry about being associated with. Their reputation is on the line there.


Its not hard

You - again - is wrong.

There is no need to "make the approach". Freetrack is a free software, available to download, and EVERYBODY knows about it.

You really believe that Saitek, Thrustmaster, etc need to "make the approach" to have support for joystick and other input devices in CoD or any other title?

You really believe that someone can have "worries" about being associated with Freetrack? It's not a "product", you or don't understand a thing or really are one of the thousands of NP fakes, because Freetrack is FREE.

Well, to be really clear with you, just read:

http://forums.bistudio.com/showthread.php?t=79821

As I said, life is simple. BIS made a thread, saw the MASSIVE amount of votes for Freetrack support, and put it into ArmAII and O:A. And you, in 2011, will still with this nonsense talking about "approach" and "worries"?

A lot of CoD future users uses Freetrack, wake up! The major two types of HT solutions uses TIR and Freetrack. Freetrack has own interface - AND THIS INTERFACE IS FREE, OPEN, DON'T NEED TO "APPROACH", FOR GOD SAKE!

I will buy CoD, as any TIR customer, and I have THE RIGHT to have Freetrack support in this title. Is simple enough to you and 1C? For me HT is needed to have the desired experience. Isn't fair to me that some TIR owner have the right to use 6DOF HT and not me.

Shame, shame, shame... And don't even talking about that proof this shame... Only the usual NP fakes trolling discussions leading to a close...

Sad. Really sad.

[Wolf_Rider]

you have it wrong on so many levels Lobi, so many levels

[LoBiSoMeM]

Originally Posted by Wolf_Rider

you have it wrong on so many levels Lobi, so many levels

Now you put your talking about nothing into a higher level, congrats!

Please, leave the topic. Just want to see some CoD dev answer about these questions, not some "thoughts" made by one NP troll, sorry.

[norulz]

here is the thread I was talking:

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.ph...80#post1074980

is about facetracknoir but PPJoy works the same with FT