Head Tracking with Cliffs of Dover

[MadBlaster]

Agreement means contract and/or an addendum to an existing contract/agreement. This is how vendors do business with each other. They put out RFPs (request for proposals). Vendors respond with what they can provide and how much it will cost...etc. In this case NP is the vendor to ED/DCS for the headtracking piece of the game. In that agreement it is likely a "covenant not to compete" type clause is present that protects NP's interest. That is pretty standard stuff. Now that clause may be enforceable, non-enforceable or partially enforceable. You don't actually know until you get to court. All you have is your attorney's opinion, as he is the one who drew it up for you. Now these two companies may have a long history of working together, so this agreement just keeps getting pushed to the next game and updated as their is no competition when they put out the RFP since NP is the only player.

Also, in real life, departments in a company are not always in sync. Guys in software development department of a company aren't necessarily worried or cognizant of what's in a vendor contract. So, if they get an idea to do something in-house and then someone in legal department says, hey you better not do that or we might get sued because of our agreement with NP. Yes, this seems rational, reasonable, albeit speculative, reasoning.

[norulz]

Fact is Wolf_Rider you either work for NP or you just talk from the back of your garden thinking you got something figured out by filthering it from you narrow point of view... heh... Narrow Point... suit them better I guess.

Anyway... while you rant your bigotry on these forums I must say to the others here concern rather about the real issue of this thread, that I managed to make Freetrack work in DCS A10c via PPJoy. That in Windows 7 64bit and in 64bit variant of the game.

So...

If the developer(s) decide to make their game open to more than just one interface for headtracking we are OK.

Some people don't have TIR neither do plan to have one... maybe they don't want to use their necks too much so an alternative to that fancy interface should be provided. Thus ED (DCS developers) decided to let all the 6DoF of head be controlled by keys or axes from joystick... thus having freetrack translating it calculations into joystick axis is more than enough.

It works OK. No extra CPU load. The fuss relates to the fact PPJoy is developed for free by a passionate simmer from South Africa and he didn't had 500$ to make the drivers "approved" my M$... thus you need to be in test mode to install them...

here is my tracker:



it costs to build 2.5$ and some fun.

[Wolf_Rider]

Facetrack uses PPJoy without the need for NP software, and doesn't need LEDS, or dots, or clips... so you could have saved yourself your 2.5$

[Stipe]

@norulz
Do you get 6dof with that in il-2? Did you try in ROF if you have it?

@W-R
Same question as for norulz but for face track.

We are retarded. This has to be the longest discussion. 10+ hours.
"head tracking marathon"

[Wolf_Rider]

To be honest, I'm not too sure Stipe, but the Face API does offer 6DoF. As with FT though, most seem to pass the PPJoy part of it over for faketrackir... so it is another hack program.
This is the first time that anyone has ever responded in any manner to Face Track, which has been mentioned here before.

[Stipe]

Ah screw it then. I'm going to stick my head inside the monitor and look around.
It will offer 6 dof. I'll call it: Face burn™

[norulz]

yes it does full 6DoF as I said.

FreeTrack after making its calculations can export them via a multitude of interfaces. Freetrack, TIR unencrypted, PPJoy, Mouse, Keyboard strokes, and another 2 AFAIK.

The way Freetrack does it's calculations are opened to analysis due to the fact source code is available... is just math.

The way it hooks to the interfaces is again pretty opened... minus that fake TIR interface which is a third party made available by people that love NP and their monopoly very much.

Many people don't want to break the problem in parts cause it will reveal the mistakes in their reasoning. So they try to keep it in one bite and start name calling by the colors they see in the coffee cup.


btw... before fretrack it was freelook. a 2DoF free application...

[Stipe]

I have freetrack. What I meant was if you can get 6 dof over PPJoy?

[julian265]

Originally Posted by norulz

snip I managed to make Freetrack work in DCS A10c via PPJoy. That in Windows 7 64bit and in 64bit variant of the game.

That's good to hear. I also use FT and PPJoy for A-10C (32 bit), but had heard that it wasn't going to work as 64 bit.

Did you need to do anything to get PPJoy to work in 64 bit?

[LoBiSoMeM]

Originally Posted by norulz

yes it does full 6DoF as I said.

FreeTrack after making its calculations can export them via a multitude of interfaces. Freetrack, TIR unencrypted, PPJoy, Mouse, Keyboard strokes, and another 2 AFAIK.

The way Freetrack does it's calculations are opened to analysis due to the fact source code is available... is just math.

The way it hooks to the interfaces is again pretty opened... minus that fake TIR interface which is a third party made available by people that love NP and their monopoly very much.

Many people don't want to break the problem in parts cause it will reveal the mistakes in their reasoning. So they try to keep it in one bite and start name calling by the colors they see in the coffee cup.


btw... before fretrack it was freelook. a 2DoF free application...

+2

Life is simple. No "hack" in Freetrack now. Freetrack has own interface, open, free. Nothing with" NP code". BIS uses Freetrack interface AND TrackIR interface in ArmAII and O:A.

So, what's the big deal? Why we can't have a single word from 1C, Oleg...?

Strange...