F4u-4 and F8F

[TexasJG]

Originally Posted by IceFire

Efforts to add the F4U-4 and other aircraft and objects such as ships were forever locked down for the original IL-2 series.

Thanks to mods, such as HSFX, this is really no longer as big an issue, Many such "unavailable" aircraft, ships and such for iL-2 are now available. And with amazing quality.

[IceFire]

Originally Posted by TexasJG

Thanks to mods, such as HSFX, this is really no longer as big an issue, Many such "unavailable" aircraft, ships and such for iL-2 are now available. And with amazing quality.

SOME with good quality... others not so much from what I've seen.

But yes... this is true.

[Pursuivant]

Originally Posted by horseback

Unfortunately, both aircraft are claimed as the 'intellectual property' of the US Defense Company with an overactive legal staff that Shall Not Be Named...

Arguably, Vought products might be doable, since NG never fully owned Vought and sold their interest in it before the consent decree. But, it wouldn't surprise me if 1c/UbiSoft completely sold their souls to NG with the consent decree, agreeing to even the most specious intellectual property claims. After all, if NG can claim IP rights to the USS Arizona with a straight face, then they'll probably claim IP rights on the F4U-4 as well.

[pandacat]

I just find this IP issue ridiculous. If we are talking about F-35 or F-22, fine I am ok with it. IP on F4u-4 is more than half of century old. Also, there is no national security issue, either. For god's sake, why still having a tight grip on it. These worthless lawyers have nothing to suck on but dried bones.

[DD_crash]

Originally Posted by pandacat

I just find this IP issue ridiculous. If we are talking about F-35 or F-22, fine I am ok with it. IP on F4u-4 is more than half of century old. Also, there is no national security issue, either. For god's sake, why still having a tight grip on it. These worthless lawyers have nothing to suck on but dried bones.

I agree with you but the lawyers are trying to justify their huge pay and we are stuck with it. There was a move in the US to stop the sillyness but I dont know what happened. Apparently some Railroad companies wanted payment from modelers so we are not alone.

[Pursuivant]

Originally Posted by DD_crash

I agree with you but the lawyers are trying to justify their huge pay and we are stuck with it. There was a move in the US to stop the sillyness but I dont know what happened. Apparently some Railroad companies wanted payment from modelers so we are not alone.

More to the point, 1c/Ubisoft agreed to a consent decree with NG, which might even be stricter than existing law or legal precedents. Since the consent decree is private, we'll never know.

The only way that I can see to get the properties that NG claims IP rights over into the game is for someone, preferably in Europe or certain parts of Asia, to buy the rights to IL2, but NOT agree to take on the legal restrictions placed on the franchise by the consent decree. That way, you'd get a fresh start in a legal environment where NG has a lot less power.

[IceFire]

Originally Posted by pandacat

I just find this IP issue ridiculous. If we are talking about F-35 or F-22, fine I am ok with it. IP on F4u-4 is more than half of century old. Also, there is no national security issue, either. For god's sake, why still having a tight grip on it. These worthless lawyers have nothing to suck on but dried bones.

Of course it's ridiculous... and sad.

[majorfailure]

Originally Posted by pandacat

I just find this IP issue ridiculous. If we are talking about F-35 or F-22, fine I am ok with it. IP on F4u-4 is more than half of century old. Also, there is no national security issue, either. For god's sake, why still having a tight grip on it. These worthless lawyers have nothing to suck on but dried bones.

The whole legal avalanche wouldn't have started IF Ubisoft hadn't thrown these lawyers a bone to gnaw on by using an artwork of an N-G product on the Pacific Fighters box (Beyond stoooopid IMHO).

Does anyone know if IP rights are voided after some time on any other works besides books/records(70 years after author dies)?

[J9Masano]

As far as I know, there would be an enormous can of worms involved, a great deal of money spent, and very little chance of getting anything worthwhile accomplished.

[pandacat]

Btw, did NG or any forerunning companies patented those old bi-planes? They might as well, so they can extend their tenticles farther.