Any Certified Flight Instructors here??

Oldschool61 · #1 05-02-2013, 08:15 PM

Ive been thinking recently about taking flight lessons to obtain a PPL. Cost for lessons is the main reason I havent done it yet. Any way the "FAA" minimums are 20 hours with instructor and 20 solo plus like 20 classroom which brings cost to 7K-9K. Ive done alot of cross country flight over the years in MSFS using VOR's and such. Plus hours and hours of IL2 flying. Do anyone think this would help reduce the hours needed to get a PPL down from the national average of 60 -70 hours till completed???

nearmiss · #2 05-03-2013, 03:17 AM

If you decide to do it I suggest you not mention you simulator experience. The IFR will be alot easier for you. Instructors don't have alot of respect for computer simulator flying jocks.

You seat of the pants experience will be most of instructors concerns. The instructor has to get you familiar with Aircraft real world flying.

Oldschool61 · #3 05-03-2013, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by nearmiss

If you decide to do it I suggest you not mention you simulator experience. The IFR will be alot easier for you. Instructors don't have alot of respect for computer simulator flying jocks.

You seat of the pants experience will be most of instructors concerns. The instructor has to get you familiar with Aircraft real world flying.

What about the instructors who fly simulators like FS and IL2??

bongodriver · #4 05-03-2013, 08:33 PM

Hi Oldschool61, I am a flight instructor but not FAA, based in the UK, I'm fairly confident that the FAA won't give any dispensation on the minimum hours on the basis of MSFS experience, the factors being that MSFS is not an approved FNPT system (flight navigation procedure trainer) and self teaching can not be accepted, you have to admit self teaching makes somewhat a mockery of the many hours of training and regulation that professional instructors have to go through in order to teach to the strict syllabus laid out by national authorities, as Nearmiss says, if you stroll into the flight school asking for dispensation because you play computer games you will instantly lose respect.

I will however say that your time spent on MSFS will almost certainly make the instrument flying side of the syllabus much easier, remember that the hours required in the syllabus are absolute 'minimum' and there is always a chance that if a student struggles along the way then the hours may overrun.

SlipBall · #5 05-03-2013, 08:56 PM

Oldschool have you considered going for a sport pilot certificate, hell of a lot cheaper

http://www.zenithair.com/news/sport-pilot.html

flyingblind · #6 05-04-2013, 08:00 AM

I doubt I could ever afford the cost of getting a PPL but I finally got to cash in my Christmas present from my youngest daughter a few days ago which was a voucher for an hour long flying lesson, bless her little socks. For an extra £16 I was able to upgrade to a slightly bigger plane so she and the missus could come along for the ride. When I say slightly bigger I mean slightly as we got a Cessna 172 which reminded me of getting into an elderly fiat 500 from the 50's, only more cramped.

The weather was perfect with light wind, brilliant sunshine and a smattering of Cumulus clouds.The flying school was based at Exeter Airport and after a quick briefing the instructor took us off and got up to a few thousand feet before letting me take the controls. After countless hours on IL2 I found no problem taking the controls of a real aircraft albeit a pretty basic one and after doing a few manouvers the instructor was happy to sit back and let me get on with it. I followed the A38 South round the Southern edge of Dartmoor towards Plymouth passing over our house on the way. Just before Plymouth I turned round and headed back along the coast flying over Burgh Island, Salcombe, Dartmouth and Torbay. The sea was the sort of colour you would expect in the Caribean. At the Exe estuary we turned in towards the airport begining the descent. As the runway came into sight the instrutor took the controls back and brought us down. I had an ear to ear grin from start to finish.

Apart from the views and the sheer fun of it the best thing I got out of it was comparing a real flight with flying on a computer. The biggest difference I found was the planes movement which took me by surprise. Despite being a calm day there was a lot of bumping and swaying at low altitude in such a small plane that had my stomach struggling a bit to keep up. The girls in the back looked wide eyed and as green as grass and ready to grab the sick bags. This got better once over 3000 ft but even the gentle manouvers I was making with the controls had a similar unsettling effect until we got used to it. It would take many hours of flying before I would be comfortable even thinking about the sort of manouvers in a dog fight! LOL.

Oldschool61 · #7 05-06-2013, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by bongodriver

Hi Oldschool61, I am a flight instructor but not FAA, based in the UK, I'm fairly confident that the FAA won't give any dispensation on the minimum hours on the basis of MSFS experience, the factors being that MSFS is not an approved FNPT system (flight navigation procedure trainer) and self teaching can not be accepted, you have to admit self teaching makes somewhat a mockery of the many hours of training and regulation that professional instructors have to go through in order to teach to the strict syllabus laid out by national authorities, as Nearmiss says, if you stroll into the flight school asking for dispensation because you play computer games you will instantly lose respect.

I will however say that your time spent on MSFS will almost certainly make the instrument flying side of the syllabus much easier, remember that the hours required in the syllabus are absolute 'minimum' and there is always a chance that if a student struggles along the way then the hours may overrun.

I wasnt expecting a break I was wondering if any pilots thought having alot of sim experiance (VOR/instrument flying) would make achieving the required level of competance easier.

bongodriver · #8 05-06-2013, 01:39 PM

OK Oldschool, fair enough, sorry I misunderstood your question.....like most other respondents here did it seems.

the simple answer in that case is 'who knows?', I've had students who flew flight sims who never gained any real advantage, and some students with absolutely no idea about anything who picked it up pretty quickly......it's all down to you.

pateador · #9 05-09-2013, 06:33 PM

I did some instructing back in the 90,s I was FAA CFI, CFII an MEI, towards your goal of PPL forget any sim time but, if you look for an Instrument Rating, in those times there were rumors about accepting a few hours of Pc Flying for the total amount of 20 hours of SIM training... As I left the USA in 92 and stop instructing , I'm not sure what was done about that, but from my experience, 1400+ instructing hours, it sure helps a lot to have and understanding of the ADF, VOR and ILS instruments and procedures: I got a belgian student who got his IFR ticket in his vacation: just 14 days!!! had previously prepared ground test and was a fine pilot and had already a very advanced understanding of the IFR flight and instruments behaviour, as I said 20 hours of Sim + plus 20 hours flight lessons and got his ticket at the first try.. WAS I A SO GREAT INSTRUCTOR !LOL!