can we raise the $$$ to get 1c to release a CoD SDK or other tools ?

Originally Posted by zapatista

it has been done for other projects, and might work here to get some further tools released by 1C so we as a community can keep expanding and improving CoD

as a ballpark, if 100 people would contribute 500$ each (50.000 $ total), thats a decent chunk of money that might fund 2 programmers for a year or so (em based on russian salaries being much lower then in the west). or it could fund 4 programers for 6 months

if 1C provides them with the office area to work in, and the basic pc's they were using before, we might be able to raise enough money for their salaries for 6 months and get a couple of near finished elements to be completed (SDK, maybe control of vehicles, improved "visibility bubble" to reduce popup, etc)

it wouldnt be focused on "finishing the sim" (unless one of us wins the lotto ), but we might get a couple of elements finished that luthiers team already were very close to completing.

just a thought

No

[zapatista]

Originally Posted by Cranky

No

tree,

this is not a conversation that involves you, or ever has

you'r irrelevant

Originally Posted by zapatista

tree,

this is not a conversation that involves you, or ever has

you'r irrelevant

And the answer again....... is NO

[Fjordmonkey]

Originally Posted by zapatista

it has been done for other projects, and might work here to get some further tools released by 1C so we as a community can keep expanding and improving CoD

as a ballpark, if 100 people would contribute 500$ each (50.000 $ total), thats a decent chunk of money that might fund 2 programmers for a year or so (em based on russian salaries being much lower then in the west). or it could fund 4 programers for 6 months

if 1C provides them with the office area to work in, and the basic pc's they were using before, we might be able to raise enough money for their salaries for 6 months and get a couple of near finished elements to be completed (SDK, maybe control of vehicles, improved "visibility bubble" to reduce popup, etc)

it wouldnt be focused on "finishing the sim" (unless one of us wins the lotto ), but we might get a couple of elements finished that luthiers team already were very close to completing.

just a thought

If that's your thought, you should stop thinking, I'd say.

I severely doubt you'd be able to find more than a small handful of people from this community willing to put $500 into a hare-brained scheme that is pretty much doomed straight from the get-go.

Why should 1C sell the code for 50 000 when they stand to make far more than that co-devving/releasing BoS with 777?

[zapatista]

Originally Posted by Fjordmonkey

If that's your thought, you should stop thinking, I'd say.

I severely doubt you'd be able to find more than a small handful of people from this community willing to put $500 into a hare-brained scheme that is pretty much doomed straight from the get-go.

Why should 1C sell the code for 50 000 when they stand to make far more than that co-devving/releasing BoS with 777?

and you should try and read and then understand what other people have posted before you "contribute"

this thread isnt about "selling code"

read it again, take 2

[Fjordmonkey]

Originally Posted by zapatista

and you should try and read and then understand what other people have posted before you "contribute"

this thread isnt about "selling code"

read it again, take 2

Buying the code or hiring 2 devs for 6 months to work on code that you don't own the rights to is on the same level of stupidity.

And even IF you found two devs willing to do contract-work on code you don't own the rights to, putting the new code into distribution would be akin to presenting yourself and anyone involved with the project for a nice, fat lawsuit for copyright-infringement. I severely doubt that the EULA that you accepted when you bought the game gives you access to that, but hey, please go ahead and prove me wrong with your community-made miracle-patch for CLoD.

The title of the post is [/b]can we raise the $$$ to get 1c to release a CoD SDK or other tools ?[/b] Why should 1C even bother to take the money, especially in light of BlackSix' post about how there ISN'T any SDK or tools for the game?

[zapatista]

Originally Posted by Fjordmonkey

Buying the code or hiring 2 devs for 6 months to work on code that you don't own the rights to is on the same level of stupidity

And even IF you found two devs willing to do contract-work on code you don't own the rights to, putting the new code into distribution would be akin to presenting yourself and anyone involved with the project for a nice, fat lawsuit for copyright-infringement. I severely doubt that the EULA that you accepted when you bought the game gives you access to that, but hey, please go ahead and prove me wrong with your community-made miracle-patch for CLoD.

The title of the post is [/b]can we raise the $$$ to get 1c to release a CoD SDK or other tools ?[/b] Why should 1C even bother to take the money, especially in light of BlackSix' post about how there ISN'T any SDK or tools for the game?

i keep forgetting that all it takes for people to post here is a keyboard and a net connection, somehow i keep expecting to have a civilized discussion with informed individuals who also have an interest in creating the best possible ww2 aviation sim. and each time i am surprised you either have a major language problem or a total failure to understand what this thread is aiming to discuss

there is no "new dev's" involved, and no "community-made miracle-patch" , neither do you seem to know the degree to which the sdk was already completed before they stopped work on it some months ago, and you are completely misquoting B6's comment on the SDK

no prize for you today !

i'll give you a hint and some key words, see if you can work it out: "CoD SDK and other tools", "community raising money for short term funding of 2 programmers", "1c only providing small office space and pc's (eg code is still secure with them)", "1c making an effort to discontinue the sim in reasonable working order before abandoning it (ex read goods advertised versus goods received by customers)", you know, that kinda thing

now before you start typing next, try and actually understand what is being discussed

btw, what have YOU recently done to try and reduce the disastrous outcome of 1C closing down CoD, thought of anything ? do share your deep and profound thoughts with us on how we can improve the situation, and if you havnt, just say thank you to those that do, and quietly be on your way....

[Fjordmonkey]

From your original post, Zappydearest:

as a ballpark, if 100 people would contribute 500$ each (50.000 $ total), thats a decent chunk of money that might fund 2 programmers for a year or so (em based on russian salaries being much lower then in the west). or it could fund 4 programers for 6 months

Please tell me where this doesn't mention hiring programmers, also known as devs (short for developers).

What have I done to try to reduce a disastrous outcome? Nothing. It's not up to me what 1C does with a product they have developed and put on the market. I have accepted the EULA that the product was sold with, and I accepted the conditions and terms of the purchase when I hit the buy-button in Steam. I accepted that the product was sold as-is, that 1C could do whatever they wanted with it whenever they wanted to without telling/asking me about it. Which, incidentally is the EXACT same thing that all of those who bought it did.

My deep and profound thoughts on how to improve the situation is to quit expecting 1C to giving out the sourcecode, and quit thinking that the community can fix it without unrestricted access to the sourcecode.

And again, why in heavens name should 1C provide a small office and computers plus access to any tools and/or SDK's that might or might not exist, especially now that they're in partnership with 777 to create BoS? Without being privy to the contract between the two companies, I'm fairly sure that 1C isn't really interested in releasing a competing product, or helping what would be a competing product undercut profits. Just in case you've missed the point, 1C is a business-company first and foremost, and in such things there's one golden rule: Money talks, bullshit walks. You, my friend, are out walking.

So no, I will not say thanks and leave. But please continue to try to make me.

[Fenice_1965]

My opinion is that there are agreements between 1c and 777 that forbid commercial use of COD engine.
If COD engine can still be used for wwII (or even WWI) simulations, 777 have to face an hard (and IMHO stronger..) opponent on the market.
If this is not true, an idea can be to buy the code with funds from community.
I'd sure make a donation if this would be possible.
Anyway I doubt there's a mass of people large enough to collect enough funds.

[tk471138]

Originally Posted by Fjordmonkey

Buying the code or hiring 2 devs for 6 months to work on code that you don't own the rights to is on the same level of stupidity.

And even IF you found two devs willing to do contract-work on code you don't own the rights to, putting the new code into distribution would be akin to presenting yourself and anyone involved with the project for a nice, fat lawsuit for copyright-infringement. I severely doubt that the EULA that you accepted when you bought the game gives you access to that, but hey, please go ahead and prove me wrong with your community-made miracle-patch for CLoD.

The title of the post is [/b]can we raise the $$$ to get 1c to release a CoD SDK or other tools ?[/b] Why should 1C even bother to take the money, especially in light of BlackSix' post about how there ISN'T any SDK or tools for the game?

im pretty sure the state of the game voided that "contract"

also why should we honor the eula when the devs didnt honor many of their "promises" which could be seen as advertisements, such as releasing the SDK and other features, and if that dosent exist then give the users the rights to the codes....as far as im concerned the clod is abandonware...the faster the community takes it apart for their (our) own uses the better...

also eula is a joke...thats why if at all possible i download my games, when doing that you dont have to agree to the eula and all the BS that goes with it...and it insulates you from the possibility of other BS happening...